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Yes I understand, it is challenging to keep a cat indoors when they yearn to be outside.

Cosma is one of Matina's brands and if you explain via email as to why you'd want a complete ingredient breakdown of their chicken filet, they would know how to help you, hopefully supplying the information you request.  Matina can be contacted here: service@matina-gmbh.de

For ingredients of Applaws, which is made by MPM products their contact page is here: https://mpmproducts.co.uk

 In an ideal world  ;) an explanation of what is in both products, particularly "chicken stock" and "chicken broth" would be useful.

Aside from complimentary food, what else is your cat eating?

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I had a major setback when I discovered he was eating hedgehog food (which a neighbour was throwing onto the communal lawn area every day). It was a commercial hedgehog food - looked just like kibble - and contained chicken, beef and cereals! So I chucked all my food diaries in the dustbin and started all over again. But months later, still no success.

How frustrating these situations can be for us, as we have limited control over what our pets are capable of eating when outside, and is one of the reasons suggested that you might keep him indoors.

Personally if he were my cat I'd want to control the conditions of his environment, as much as possible, in order to absolutely reduce his exposure to those allergans to try as far as possible.

So for example, if he were mine I'd keep him as happy as possible indoors, windows closed, HEPA filter running constantly plus I'd keep the indoor climate as cool and dry as possible.

That said one of my dogs was a hugely inventive hound, with virtually a human dexterity at successfully opening bins and cupboards just to reach an extra unscheduled 'lunch'! Not so my cats....  they are clever in plenty of other ways....!

Loucat - how has he progressed since September last year?

 

My boy's been on his new diet for a few days now.. only occasional scratching at the moment and he already looks much happier! I am trying not to get my hopes up but it's the best progress in a very long time.

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Dog news / Re: Complementary and alternative medicines
« on: Jan 14, 2018, 13:57 »
Homeopathy has a valued place in my view. In my experience where the scientifically proven ointment fails, manuka honey wins hands down!

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Dog foods / Re: Best food for Pomeranian puppy
« on: Jan 14, 2018, 13:48 »
Hello Nova and welcome to the forum!

Some great advice already!


A further thought may be that rather than prefer the  taste of the food you are eating he may simply be wanting to be part of your feedtime. I'm wondering if you might eat your food and at the same time give him his dog food (not your food) in his bowl to eat near to you.

He may also prefer smaller meals during the times you eat, so 3 smaller meals per day for him, rather than 2 larger ones.

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General discussion / Re: What is the future of Dog Food?
« on: Jan 14, 2018, 13:25 »
Thanks Seaweed, may be from plant or animal, and I'm wondering if that might be a clue in the Wild Earth statement mentioning  "renewable sourced"? 

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...and pesky parasites!

Adding to other causes of a sensitive digestive system, intestinal parasites if left untreated would detrimentally affect a dog, including outbreaks of diarrhoea and vomiting.  Fortunately many parasites can be treated by owners with dog wormers. Notably there are others, for example giardia which may need treatment with antibiotics prescribed by a vet.

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......and Sugars.

As strange as this may sound, I've had a dog that could eat a food in the same variety, made by the same company and packaged in a can. Yet that particular dog invariably began to have diarrhoea sessions if fed the same variety, made by the same company and packaged in a packet!
   My first reaction was to wonder (aside from whether there may have been an issue with the packaging of course) whether the recipe of the food had been altered. And yes it had. There were added sugars in the packet. That alone was enough to trigger a reaction.

To their credit the company removed the added sugars from their recipe, and all was well again. This demonstrates how thorough we must be in keeping ourselves aware of tweaks which manufacturers may make to their recipes.

I've also had a dog react when a company changed the geographical area of where their food was being processed. 'Different' land on which animals grazed resulting in an altered end product. And I've had a dog that reacted when a named fish was "farmed" rather than "wild caught".

Therefore, further advice is that if anyone has a dog that has been 'happily' eating a food, and then begins to react, it's as well to double-check that the ingredients stated on the packaging are the same as always, and if they are then I'd be inclined to contact the food manufacturer to enquire if there are any manufacturing alterations, such as where their food is currently being sourced from, or where it is now being produced.

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Excellent advice Dottie and thank you for starting the thread.

Might I add also it is useful to make a note of the specific protein being fed to a dog, so for domestic fowl this includes chicken, goose, duck, or turkey and whichever of these within that poultry group is being eaten is the one to record. It’s worthwhile as dogs may become intolerant of any one, or several, of these proteins and to record which are being eaten makes it so much easier to know which ones are to avoid feeding to the dog.

Also record the individual fish that is named on the ingredient list, if fish is fed to a dog. The list includes salmon, cod, sardines, herring, pilchards, hake, char, mackerel, tuna, pollock, flounder, coley, krill, menhaden and trout and for sure there are others that are not named here ......

 Notably sometimes fish may be named as the oil (of the fish)  or the liver oil (of the fish) which is being used in the dog food; for example salmon oil. And this too ought to be in the notes which are kept to record what a dog is eating; the reason being is that if a dog is intolerant to salmon then regardless of salmon's appearance, either as one of the main ingredients, or as the oil (of salmon) simply by eating the food a dog would still potentially throw up intolerant reactions.


The same principle is true when feeding a meat protein -  that is, to keep a record of which of the individually named meats are being fed. The variety of meat proteins (including what is known as game) is increasing, as expected over time, and includes beef, lamb, pork, goat, venison, kangaroo, buffalo, quail, partridge, ostrich, pheasant, bison, rabbit, reindeer, and wild boar and others for sure!

It is also worthwhile noting if there are eggs in the food as I have known dogs who cannot tolerate egg and who will also react if egg is used in vaccine preparations.

Dogs are individuals of course and it therefore seems reasonable to expect the possibility that dogs may be able to tolerate a particular ingredient in one form and yet not in another version. An example of such a situation was of a dog who could tolerate a food such as organic (interestingly chicken was the protein) though he showed intolerant reactions if ever the chicken was not organic!! This may have been due to any number of reasons…nonetheless it was not an easy task to find out that this was indeed the trigger for that dog’s issues!  Again it pays to keep complete notes of specific ingredients that are being eaten by our dogs.

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Dog foods / Re: Help! Need advice on feeding my pup!
« on: Jan 08, 2018, 22:06 »
Hello tillydimond and welcome to the forum!

How they do worry us at times, these pooches! Isn't it frustrating when a product is no longer stocked especially a food that has previously been eaten without causing issues. If this is Nature's Way puppy food and your dog has done well on it then it's as well to be aware that that particular food does not have any maize (corn) or wheat in it, has 1 protein, namely chicken and is free from soya, dairy, artificial additives and with no added salt or sugar.

With this in mind and if your pup has been well on that food it may be prudent to take a look at the allaboutdogfood dog food directory which is here:

https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/the-dog-food-directory  and use the filter called "Avoid ingredients" to tick the box "all red ingredients" which will then avoid all foods which have any (or a combination of) "Artificial additives", "Added sugars", "Added salt", "Soya", "Dairy products", "Wheat", "Maize".

If you also use the filters to add your pup's age (in the "Dog's Age" drop down menu box) of "7 months" and your dog's breed of "Labrador Retriever" and then press on the green "GO" box, there will be several results of suggested foods. You can filter these further by "Highest Rating" or "Lowest Cost", etc using the "Ranked by" filter.

If you might prefer to remain with 1 protein (eg chicken) and/or you suspect there may be a particular ingredient which may not be agreeing with your dog, then you can also tick any of the other boxes with named ingredients that you wish to also avoid feeding.

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General discussion / Re: What is the future of Dog Food?
« on: Jan 07, 2018, 00:07 »
It is the manufacturing of these foods that is intriguing.....   "Clean meat is made by extracting the stem cells of an animal then growing those into muscle tissue, the part of an animal we know as meat ...."

Perhaps this will be later explained, as at this time I'm reflecting on the statement "clean protein is made without animal ingredients"  whilst comprehending that the original source of stem cells are from an animal.


Yes a real breakthrough that is surely worthy of huge appreciation is a future production of edible meat protein for us and our pets, which is manufactured without any harm being inflicted on animals, nor indeed any slaughtering of animals. 

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Dog foods / Re: Pure Pet Food - amount to feed
« on: Jan 06, 2018, 23:42 »
And just to highlight how confusing the amount to feed our dogs can be…. there is another feeding guide accompanying each of the dehydrated recipes which takes into account the activity level; and/or whether a puppy or adult.  This is a positive step, as surely weight alone could not precisely determine the amount of food necessary to keep a dog satiated and healthy.

However, a definition of ‘activity’ relies on consumers making the choice for their dog, be that varying from the extremes of canine sport through to the park plodder, all are active to differing degrees. Likewise, the age a dog is no longer considered a puppy as this too varies considerably between individual dogs and eventual sizes.

In addition there are other considerations when feeding dehydrated food and one is the texture of the finished product  -  some dogs do seem to  prefer their food ‘sloppier’ than others – and when I’ve fed a dehydrated food I will add more water (never less water!) than recommended if a dog prefers to eat it like that, ie slightly wetter  :).

I’ve also been known to add (a little more) warm water (after a dehydrated food has been rehydrated & left for 15+ minutes), to the meal on a colder day, for an older dog simply to ensure the food is still warm when it is eaten by him.


Pure’s website feeding calculator (using her age 2 yrs 7mths and weight 24kg) says I need to feed her 9 x 30g scoops of dry food a day...... but this site .... says only 174g/day (£2.17/day).

174g per day works out at almost 6 scoops of dry food a day and then that is rehydrated with water. You are quite right the feeding calculator (on the Pure website) suggests 9 scoops yet the feeding guide specifically for feeding dehydrated chicken (here is the link: https://purepetfood.co.uk/chicken-dinner) suggests feeding 7 to 10 scoops per day for a dog weighing 21-30kg with average activity level.

 Whatever amount you start with, you'll tell within a few weeks (possibly days!) if it is too much, or too little and whether your dog prefers a warmer meal, a slightly wetter meal, or is simply happy with her meal.  ;)

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General discussion / Re: Dried meat feed
« on: Jan 05, 2018, 00:17 »
For sure David will let us know when he hears back.  ;)

Meantime, if I've understood correctly the dried meat in the original question refers to air dried meat and the concern is how much moisture is ‘dried out’ of the meat during the air drying?

In addition to the FEDIAF Code definition of moisture content in dog food, including specifically allowable tolerances, perhaps this may be answered without specific percentages, yet rather, and in my view more importantly by reference to the nutritional basis of the food,  to avoid doubt arising regarding whether the end product is indeed nutritionally sound for the health of our dogs.

  The FEDIAF Nutritional Guidelines defines “minimum and maximum nutrient levels in commercial pet foods for healthy dogs and cats, to ensure adequate and safe nutrition” as well as “a safety margin to prevent deficiencies due to animal variations and nutrient interactions.” The levels reflect “the amounts of essential nutrients in commercial products that are required to ensure adequate and safe nutrition in healthy individuals when consumed over time.”

Notably “Pet foods can be adequate and safe when nutrient levels are outside the  recommendations in this guide, based on the manufacturer’s substantiation of nutritional adequacy and safety”.  In other words, to avoid ambiguity, (and to further reassure pet owners) manufacturers must have evidence of “nutritional adequacy and safety” if their food differs from the nutrient levels mentioned in these FEDIAF Nutritional Guidelines.

Here is the link to download the May 2017 version: http://www.fediaf.org/self-regulation/nutrition/

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General discussion / Re: Help on labeling requirements
« on: Dec 29, 2017, 02:20 »
Oops   :o  apologies, forgot to post the link to the Food Standards Agency audit reports :

https://www.food.gov.uk/enforcement/auditandmonitoring

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General discussion / Re: Help on labeling requirements
« on: Dec 29, 2017, 02:09 »
I wonder if it may be useful to be aware of the availability of audit reports on the Food Standards Agency's website. These are documents of the FSA regulating local authorities regarding their feed and food law enforcement activities.

In a nutshell .... part of the audit covers visiting a local feed business and samples being taken by an agricultural analyst which is in turn analysed by a laboratory.

With this in mind, I'd be inclined to approach a local authority and ask to speak to their appointed "Agricultural Analyst" who might be willing to offer further guidance to help with progress. [May also mention which laboratories are used and (one hopes  ;) ) at a reasonable cost].

Another idea to explore involves approaching other feed businesses in the local area as to whether it may be agreeable to send several (batches) together, as I'm wondering if laboratories may offer bulk testing at reduced rates.

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General discussion / Re: Help on labeling requirements
« on: Dec 28, 2017, 01:12 »
Hello Greathounds and welcome to the forum!

Making dog treats from home sounds like an excellent idea and one which I wish you every success with. 

At this stage of the journey towards successfully manufacturing a pet food/treat, it's as well to be aware that whilst trying to wade through what currently is looking like a daunting 'mountain' of hoops to climb,  we can at the same time appreciate that these are in place to help protect the health of our pets - and manufacturer  ;) - to help ensure production of a trustworthy end product. That said, it's no mean feat and hopefully the guidance in the article may help.

There is a Business Companion Guide entitled "Manufacturing your own pet foods" which states : " This guide covers the manufacturing of pet food, with particular emphasis on the domestic production of pet food and treats in your own home - for example, home-made dog biscuits."

And here is the link to the article:
https://www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/animals-and-agriculture/manufacturing-your-own-pet-foods



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