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Would anyone like to help by adding to the information in this poll?

And by taking part you are helping the results to reflect the current feeding trends.  ;)

[And if you prefer you can vote in the poll without writing a post and that's appreciated too.]

Hello Nyixie and welcome to the forum!

Some great advice already from Tinyplanets.

Her weight loss may be due to a decrease in appetite - interestingly the Propalin summary of product characteristics (SPC) noted "In the course of field clinical trials, loose stools, liquid diarrhoea, decrease in appetite, .....were reported in some dogs. " The document can be downloaded from here:

Something else which may be worthwhile checking with the manufacturer,  is whether the Orijen recipe has been recently changed, and is another possible explanation, coinciding with her weight loss.

If you may prefer to continue with a home diet I'd recommend a book called "RAW and NATURAL Nutrition for Dogs" by Lew Olson.

 Chapter 26 is called "Diets for Liver Needs" with plenty of guidance and explanations plus sample recipes specifically to help a dog's liver.

Diggedy, if you are trying to find a food already in the directory which has the nutritional characteristics of a diet for liver disease, then - using the table for guidance -  the search would be for low protein (of high quality), high fibre, low copper and low sodium.

And yes indeed this is not as easy as it may appear,  compounded by oft unclear labelling of pet foods regarding amounts of copper for example.

Helpfully, there are useful filters available in the allaboutdogfood Dog Food Directory to narrow down food choices and hopefully may provide a canned/dry food to help her.

 The characteristic of low protein (of high quality) may be found using the "Food properties" filter set to "Organic" or "Natural" (or both of these). Plus using the "Nutrient levels" filter, it is when the slider for the "Protein levels" is moved accordingly,  the corresponding results would be of foods with lower protein levels.

To find the characteristic of high fibre, then using the "Nutrient levels" filter, moving the slider for "Fibre" accordingly results in foods of high fibre.

It is not an easy task to filter out, completely, all foods with salt (sodium); yet any foods that have "added salt" can be omitted by  setting the "Avoid ingredients" filter to avoid "All red ingredients".  Thus the foods that are avoided will include those with artificial additives, and also those with added salt, as both add extra strain on the liver.

Unfortunately, there is no current filtering of foods with copper. However, the aim is to reduce copper stores in the body and so prevent an accumulation of copper in the liver. Absorption of copper is enhanced by high dietary protein and is reduced by zinc, fibre, and ascorbate (vitamin C). The Samylin is providing vitamin C, fibre is being increased following the table guidance. So this leaves zinc and it may be prudent to research into whether adding a zinc supplement might be appropriate.

Introductions / Re: Raw diet
« on: Jul 19, 2017, 00:00 »
Hello Scottie and welcome to the forum!

If you'd want to have a search for and take a look at raw foods which are already on the allaboutdogfood website then you'd use the Dog Food Directory page here:

Dog Food Directory

And then you may narrow the results of all available foods in the databases to only show you the complete raw foods, by setting  the "Type of food" filter for "Raw completes".

Alternatively, if you might be thinking about adding raw food as an addition to an existing diet, so in effect adding raw as a complimentary food, then set the filter for "Complimentary raw".

Hello Diggedy and welcome to the forum!

David has written another of his excellent articles about prescription diets on the allaboutdogfood website.

In this article there is an informative and helpful section headed "Prescription diet alternatives" and within this section there is a table with the nutritional characteristics of diets for liver disease.

And the link is here:

Hello Sebaroo and welcome to the forum!

You might also consider adding in a wet complete and reducing the dry complete kibble as by volume kibble tends to be more calorie dense.

Dog treats / Re: Treats selection
« on: Jul 18, 2017, 00:39 »
If you think your dog may enjoy a carrot - and this varies considerably.....I've had dogs who attempt to lead straight to the greengrocer for their daily carrot! And others who do not even bother to sniff at a carrot, let alone eat one - then you might try offering a carrot as a vegetarian snack.

Using the options of "Natural" and "Vegetarian", as mentioned in your post, for the treat properties in the allaboutdogfood treat directory (please see link to this directory in Dottie's post), there are 3 suggested results, namely:

"Green & Wilds Chewroots", "Tribal Natural Health Dog Biscuit Treats" and "Tribal Natural Support Dog Biscuit Treats".

I'm greatly moved to offer my absolute heartfelt condolences to you on this horrendous loss of your beloved friend.........

There was really no more you could have done for him and I urge you may later on find a degree of peace knowing that......

I wanted to find out whether other people's dogs have had problems with dried trachea treats?
Having had a dog with thyroid issues, I've avoided trachea due to the possibility of thyroid residue hormones.

You might also approach the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons as they may know of similar incidents? The link is here :

Dog foods / Re: How do you choose what to feed
« on: Jul 17, 2017, 02:02 »
It may be helpful to take a peek at the polls that are running which shows the different variations of diet that we on the allaboutdogfood forum are feeding our dogs currently :

THANKYOUThank you so far to those who have already voted and for your helpful postings too!   8)

Here is a gentle nudge & hint ..........Your input would be really appreciated!  So by your voting in the poll you are helping these results to more accurately reflect the current feeding trends.  ;)

And if you prefer you can vote in the poll without writing a post and that's appreciated too!

Dog foods / Re: How do you choose what to feed
« on: Jul 17, 2017, 01:56 »
Hello Greyhound family and welcome to the forum!

With mine I've found that it helps to have any accompanying stresses during the early settling periods in a 'new' home minimised as far as possible and of course this includes their food. So as a general rule of thumb I continue to feed them the diet they are on when they come here. If this initial diet continually suits a dog, and the dog is happy, healthy and thriving then I would continue, for a period of time, adding different varieties trying to match with the nutrients they are used to, as far as that is possible.

After a period of time (usually a couple of months) I'd begin to slowly add as much variety as suits the individual dog. So for example this would including toppings, appropriate treats, different textures, and combinations of foods. Thus gradually over time by trying a dog with various combinations of food it becomes easier to learn what the dog prefers and what diet suits the dog.

It seems fair to say that dogs are different and their preferences are different. I'm glad you asked the question as I feel as part of the responsibility of homing dogs is an obligation on us to find out what foods they prefer that will keep them as healthy and happy as possible.

Yes absolutely... I think it is fair to say that these days there seems to be somewhat vague descriptions, by manufacturers of dog food, as to the age a dog is no longer a puppy. And so the age at which an owner is duly advised to no longer feed puppy food. That said, if pet food manufacturers are hoping to entice future customers to use their food it seems somewhat of an oversight that the first lifestage foods offered, namely the puppy foods, are plainly obviously without a great range of flavours.

 It seems the same is true of foods aimed at the older dog.... the definition of which varies, as in some breeds 7 is considered geriatric!

I wonder if this may be due to marketting, in effect aiming for the greatest sales of food for dogs, using their self limiting age range of between older-than-puppy and less-than-7-years, which appears to some extent, to be rather remiss on the part of a manufacturer of life stage foods....

Of course this issue, of a limited range, need not exist if we spurn lifestage dog foods and it would be interesting to hear if this is the driving marketting influence, and which manufacturers may already be aware of.

Great to hear of a new dog food being offered without grains and rather unusually .... no potatos or sweet potatos either.

Training and behaviour / Re: Water during the night time
« on: Jul 11, 2017, 18:57 »
Hello Bobbys dad and welcome to the forum!

Please, please do not restrict his access to water.

It may be, as suggested, that he has drunk a lot of fluid recently due to the recent heat. With their heavy double coats Goldens would need to drink water as appropriate.

Another suggestion may be the type of diet he is eating, as kibble alone necessitates a higher volume of water intake. A slight tweak of less kibble added to meat may help him.

If this continues and you are at all concerned then I'd suggest to have his current health checked with his vet.

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