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Meg

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« Reply #15 on: Dec 23, 2016, 20:59 »
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I think a lot will have to depend on exactly how much the different preparation methods actually affect the nutrient levels. "
This comment made earler states how I feel too, how many nutrients remain or are destroyed during dog food preparation surely needs addressing as this positively or negatively impacts on the health and wellbeing, and behaviour of a dog.

We decide, do we eat some of our food (like salad) raw as it may not be as good in appearance (?) nor as healthy for us when cooked? Do we reheat our food to extreme temperatures and risk losing good nutrients? Do we prepare our foods to obtain the best possible nutrients our bodies crave for? Occasionally resorting to 'unhealthy' snacks.....

Some of these answers may seem obvious to us, yet maybe not so much when we are addressing these same questions regarding dog food.

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« Reply #16 on: Dec 24, 2016, 11:24 »
I have found it invaluable to have the charts that you already have on the site David which show protein levels, fats, carbs for the various foods, and importantly these are also presented for wet foods, as though they are dry so to speak, allowing for a like to like comparison.
 I feel there could be even greater use of these charts by adding charts for different varieties of foods offered by a manufacturer. Not solely for the first food listed.
Also if these charts were promoted and given higher attention  on the website they would hopefully be used more and users wont rely mostly on food scores. Then if a dog is thriving on a certain food the user could look at the current levels of protein/fats/etc in the charts, and search for a similar food using the search nutrient tools  on the website.
Putting this more simply... I'd suggest emphasing the importance of the food charts for a thriving/healthy dog versus solely the scoring of a food.
This takes away a users need to change a food because the rating is not 'the best' it could be. Hope this makes sense

In my opinion, the analytical content (fats, protein,carbs) of the food is of the least importance in terms of determining how good a food is, it is more important where these are sourced ie the ingredients. In the past high protein content was thought of as being an indicator of a good food and manufacturers would use cheap fillers that contained high protein to give the appearance of a quality food. Modern emphasis in dog foods, is on the ingredients, with the level of  meat content and other ingredients being the indicators of what is a good or bad food. This site gives ratings on the ingredients not the analytical content ( although these are part of the ratings). for example - I can find you a food that has five star rating and another on a one star and with similar protein/fat/carbs analysis but that would not give an indication they were similar foods.

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« Reply #17 on: Dec 24, 2016, 14:55 »
I take your point about the analysis and the quality of the ingredients but I am sure that a lot of people find the dials useful, particularly if they have a dog with special needs.  Personally, I have found it invaluable in managing the diet of my dogs.  I think it is a case of looking at the ingredient list (and understanding it) first though. 
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 24, 2016, 15:25 »
"Also if these charts were promoted and given higher attention  on the website they would hopefully be used more and users won't rely mostly on food scores."

With hindsight my word "mostly" would be written in italic as that is what I'm trying to put across albeit, clumsily.
The charts on the website follow list of ingredients and an old boot could prop up the protein (and be somewhat disguised in the list), and this shows where scoring should not be dismissed.
Yet it is invaluable to have the charts - having had a dog with specific needs that relied on low protein, low ash, low fat, moderate fibre.
Perhaps David will further promote the charts as they may be a building block to coding for dogs with specific dietary needs for health reasons.


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« Reply #19 on: Jan 26, 2017, 23:45 »
David you did ask us to have our say......I wonder does this sound like it may help to 'tick' the boxes :-

Re solely the coding for the scoring based on the ingredients: 
That already seems to be an important criteria for many people, perhaps moreso now with greater awareness of  what we are feeding dogs; yet time is precious and it is so much easier to read a number (a score/rating) and when time becomes available to be able to read & see the reasoning behind the numbering as explained elsewhere on the site.
 So sticking with numbers....... once the results are ready  (and rated by whichever option the user choses, as is happening already),  then perhaps add code to perform further sorts on that database (of those results) to present a PROCESSING score/rating, and an ETHICAL score/rating and a COOKING/PREPARATION method, and a CARBON FOOTPRINT score/rating.
These 5 results could be presented to the user side by side or in tabular form. 
Again these are numbers, and again would be backed up by reasoning.

It may look like information overload yet the majority of information is there in a fairly understandable format to enable a user to make a more informed choice. This amounts to presenting all 5 results at once without offering further user choice.


Re the coding for the nutrients:
as you may know I am a great fan of those dials(!) and I'd really like more emphasis given to them. ie bigger dials, per variety (lots of work I know sorry), and brief explanations in text with links to your wonderful articles on feeding dogs with health issues (which you have written and are writing).
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It's too difficult for me to choose exactly my preferences as the ingredient scoring is as important to me as the processing and that is as important as the preparation and cooking! Ethically I'd want animal welfare at the top, carbon footprint is another biggy for now and the future generations.


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« Reply #20 on: Feb 17, 2017, 19:19 »
This is a suggestion by another forum member and I've added it here so David has as much information about the Rating algorithm together in this section:

"i would to see you consider calcium , protein ,and carbohydrates to determine the quality of the food ".


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Re: Rating algorithm overhaul - Have your say!
« Reply #21 on: Feb 20, 2017, 07:34 »
Thanks Meg