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AlanF

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Help to Reduce Plaque & Tartar Build-up on Dog's Teeth
« Reply #15 on: Dec 19, 2014, 15:16 »
Hi,

Not that our boy has a major problem here, he doesn't, but we do want to keep his teeth as clean as possible, try to reduce the possibility of tooth decay, and keep his breath sweet. So, I am looking for any pearls of wisdom that anyone might be able to offer. What I am really looking for are suggestions on what we can give a 6 year old Golden Retriever, to replace those Dentastix 'type' chews (not the actual Pedigree ones),  that my wife will insist on buying. I am not convinced that they do any good at all, as for one thing they are consumed before you can blink an eyelid, and on the other hand the ingredients don't fill me with any confidence.

Let me be a little specific! Our boy is rather manic when it comes to bones, hide chews and the like, and more often than not, because of the way he 'goes at it' will make his gums bleed. Such things will undoubtedly last longer, but I would prefer it if he didn't damage himself in the process.

I have given him Tripe Sticks in the past, which I presume may help with the problem. They are healthier in my view than some of the 'tat' that is marketed by some pet food companies, and those which can also be seen in popular supermarkets (I think that these may be also be made by the same pet food companies!

Regularity of use is also significant, as I am trying to get some weight off him. So I wouldn't want something that would potentially increase his weight.

Any suggestions?

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Alan

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Re: Dental Plaque
« Reply #16 on: Dec 20, 2014, 00:11 »
Bleeding when chewing bones could be a sign of gum disease. Bones are one of the best ways of keeping teeth clean. A rope ragger to be played with after meals can act like a toothbrush.

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Re: Dental Plaque
« Reply #17 on: Dec 23, 2014, 11:52 »
Hi Alan,

It is the shearing action of the raw bones that clean the teeth - kibble doesn't, despite what the manufacturers tell you.

Alternatives to bones and Dentastix -
Stag / Antler bars (real antlers ) - last longer than bones, don't have the mess but are much more expensive,
A dental mix supplement that can be sprinkled onto the food which contains natural ingredients that attack plaque and tartar,
Toothpaste specially formulated for dogs - don't use your own toothpaste, it may contain an ingredients such as Xylitol that is toxic to dogs.

Incidently, the ingredients in our dental mix also help at regulating metabolism and in weight loss.

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Victoria
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Re: Dental Plaque
« Reply #18 on: Sep 28, 2015, 00:09 »
Sorry but just a few tips from vast and traumatising clinical experience...

Antlers are causing a massive increase in carnassial (the big tooth at the back of the top jaw) slab fractures....ouch!

Bones can get stuck in throats and oesophagi (food pipes) with fatal consequences. Yes they might be rare but when it is your patient that has died after hours of trying to dislodge with various contraptions, it becomes more significant and warrants me piping up on this forum.

Just think about brushing please.

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Re: Dental Plaque
« Reply #19 on: Sep 28, 2015, 11:37 »
Hi Vet,

Thanks for posting the information on Antlers and for your valued opinion. We were aware of the problem of giving them to puppies (the supplier does mention they are not suitable for puppies) but not of the increase in carnassial caused by the antlers.

I've had a look at the emphatic research into the increase of carnassial (see dentalvets.co.uk news on antler dog chews an update after surge of fractured upper carnassial teeth) and we will be informing our customers of the risks.

From personal experience - up until last year our dogs never had antlers, only raw bones on occasions, and have always had good clean teeth. They are eight years old and never had their teeth cleaned. However, we do notice when we leave out the dental mix for a while, the plaque and tartar starts to appear so, straight back on the dental mix and the odd raw bone. We are aware of the risk of raw bones but believe giving the bone after a meal for 10-15 minutes (always supervised) helps with the digestion and their general well-being. There's plenty of literature out there for owners to decide (see Natures Menu's Vet video).

It seems there must be others posting about the dangers of antlers and other hard chews because the sale of our dental mix has noticably increased over the weekend; we did wonder why.

In addition to the toothpaste option, there is also another product out there for dental hygene, Fragaria, but it's controversial because it's homeopathic - just thought I'd throw that bone in!

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Victoria EA-SQP.

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« Reply #20 on: Sep 28, 2015, 12:53 »
I agree about the brushing - it does work when done regularly.  I hear what people say about bones and oral health; if they want to give them then that's up to them but I will not give bones (or antlers) to my dogs - I simply do not wish to take the risk.  Life is too complicated as it is without adding that into the mix.  My lot have sea jerky every day and they also have Nylabones available.  In all the years they have used these products I have never had any problems. I do clean their teeth using Virbac but like many people, I probably need to step up the frequency sometimes.  I've also used PetzLife Gel but that again needs to be used very regularly.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 29, 2015, 09:57 »
There is certainly growing concern as regards broken teeth when using products such as Antlers. I should imagine

Dental surgery to save a tooth is an expensive procedure. Not forgetting the traveling there and back from a

specialist Dental vet.

We have used Plaque Off and DentiQ Juicy Apple Ultra Persistent Periodontal Gel for sometime on our dogs. It's a

combination that seems to work very well indeed. Our Vet is really hot on teeth and is always pleased to see clean

teeth. DentiQ is a non toxic Gel and is effective without brushing although brushing would help even more and is

available from Amazon UK. DentiQ have a very good website and I have always found their customer service

excellent. DentiQ (Ward Biotech) are an Irish company. Plaque Off is widely available and is

well reviewed on many sites including Amazon. If a dog has a Thyroid problem then it is recommended to speak

to your vet first before using Plaque Off due to it's iodine content.

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« Reply #22 on: Sep 29, 2015, 10:46 »
Yes, if animal is on thyroid hormone, check with vet if giving seaweed or other food supplements (not just those containing iodine).

Beware of some products you put into the drinking water - some contain Xylitol toxic to dogs and the research they are using to prove it is safe, in my opinion, is flawed.

The following research it seems is used by Virbac (American equivalent product called Breathalyser). The trial period was very short at only 14 days with a small sample size of 15 crossbred dogs (note no pure-breds) weighing over 15kg (note not toy or small breeds) and monitored the affects on liver and blood glucose levels but not on the gastrointestinal tract. My concern with these products, therefore, is on it's use for small and toy breeds and some pure breeds administered over a long period of time.

I sent the research papers and other findings to our local vet when I became concerned over the eating habits of a miniature daschund belonging to a customer of mine. The only thing different with the dog was he had started taking virbac in his drinking water. The vet was concerned enough to stop supplying it to his customers.

The label on these products always state the exact ratio of liquid to drinking water, and never to go over it but, how many people bother being that accurate when it's not obvious to them the importance of not to go over?

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« Reply #23 on: Sep 29, 2015, 12:21 »
Re: Virbac
Are you referring to one of the products on this page?  The only Virbac product that I use is the enzymatic, poultry flavour toothpaste.  The dogs like the taste but I only use a small amount on the brush and sometimes just apply it very thinly straight to the teeth using my finger.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 29, 2015, 12:28 »
Hi Dottie,

I was referring to Virbac Vet Aquadent that is one of the products that appears on the page link you posted. I haven't looked into the ingredients of their other products, it was just Aquadent I was investigating for a customer.

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Victoria

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« Reply #25 on: Apr 17, 2017, 08:05 »
It's been a while since we talked about dental health so I am bringing this back up the list.  I had a bit of a lapse in cleaning teeth earlier this year so although they were not too bad, there was a small amount of plaque at the gum edge and some tartar on their back teeth.  I am now brushing daily and after two or three weeks it is paying dividends. Still one or two small patches of tartar at the back but that is all.  Their breath is fresh.  Currently I am using Beaphar toothpaste although I have just finished a tube of Arm & Hammer and that seemed to be useful. They still have PetzLife Gel rubbed around the teeth and gums every day.  Am also using Plaque Off. I sent for a Lintbell's YuCare tooth cleaner recently but have not fully assessed it.

I know that some people feel that they cannot brush their dog's teeth because it will not let them.  I can only say that this really is a training issue. There is plenty of information on the Internet about how to do this. It takes time and patience to get the dog used to having it's mouth handled but it is worth it in the long run - luckily, my dogs have never needed a dental treatment by the vet.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 17, 2017, 13:40 »
Agree about the cost - sometimes I think it would cheaper to book them in at the vets for a dental treatment.  I hadn't heard of Bogadent so checked up and their website is here.   Tropiclean products are here and PetzLife is here.  As you say, dental care in dogs, particularly those who are on dry food has to be a regular thing - there is no quick fix AFAIK.   Some people think that kibble cleans teeth but I don't think that really is the case. Also, some say that wet food is supposed to contribute to plaque and tartar but I would have thought not because a number of the better quality ones are low in carbohydrate. I like to see nice clean teeth and fresh breath too - makes the effort worthwhile.
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 28, 2018, 13:54 »
Some useful links here:
Your Pet’s Bad Breath is no Laughing Matter.
Dog Breath is no Laughing Matter (includes video on brushing teeth).

Nick Thompson discussing dental hygiene in relation to kibble. Jump to 27 minutes for the discussion. He dispels the myth that kibble is necessary for cleaning teeth.

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« Reply #28 on: Dec 28, 2018, 14:55 »
Thank you for posting Dottie and it's a timely reminder to take the health of our dogs teeth seriously. Kibble in my opinion is no friend to a dogs teeth, certainly raw feeding goes along way in keeping a dogs teeth clean but even so I do believe you need to brush them also. I have tried many dog toothpastes over the years and have now gone back to Dorwest Herbs Roast Dinner Toothpaste (with a baby toothbrush) which I used in the eighties, this seems an improved product from those days. I've been very impressed. It's basically sage oil with a gritty texture and it goes along way and at a good price against some of the other products.
I started using this again on a toy breed dog with beautiful white teeth and they have remained so, he's on a complete raw diet, it would be good to hear from other users of their experience.
https://www.dorwest.com/product/roast-dinner-toothpaste-200g/

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« Reply #29 on: Dec 28, 2018, 15:15 »
I’m using that product at the moment and also daily Plaque Off. I don’t feed raw or give bones but their teeth are in good condition. Small dogs are particularly prone to periodontal disease so need extra care.

In the aforementioned video Nick Thompson mentions Plaque Off as being useful in the prevention of periodontal disease and also a product by Irish vet Connor Brady. I think it is probably Canident. The discussion is at the end of the video in the question and answer section.
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