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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #15 on: Jun 29, 2015, 18:09 »
Who are the WSAVA sponsors? The big 3 pet food manufacturers... Check their reviews and ratings, and those of their subsidiary brands on here. This makes me wonder about impartiality.

"Global Nutrition Committee:
Hill’s Pet Nutrition
Nestle Purina
Royal Canin"

http://www.wsava.org/about/sponsors

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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #16 on: Jul 15, 2016, 07:17 »
First of all, I would like to say thanks for this amazingly useful thread for pets owners. I here share one important article which tells about all those human foods that should not be given to our pets. I hope you will find it worth reading.

petsgroomingtips.com/some-human-foods-could-kill-your-pets

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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #17 on: Jul 15, 2016, 07:46 »
Glad that you find the thread helpful and thank you for the link.  So that members can access it it more easily I have converted it to a hyperlink - see here.

Since the thread was started many new, grain free products have come onto the market. As can be seen on the Dog Food Directory, some products that contain grain score very highly and conversely, there are grain free ones that have lower scores. I have been asked about this and I am wondering if assumptions are being made that grain free is better for the dog.

Certainly there are some grains that are questionable but there are others that have nutritional value for the dog.  Equally, there are grain free products that contain a lot of white potato and pea flour which has less nutritional value than some grains. It goes back to the first post in this thread i.e. read the label and check out the ingredients.  For more information, please check out the website list of ingredients here.
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 24, 2016, 18:55 »
Seaweed has just drawn my attention to The Forthglade Houndsley Brother Clean Eating for Dogs leaflet.  It deals very nicely with what to look for when choosing a dog food product and is well worth reading.
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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #19 on: Sep 13, 2016, 09:59 »
Interesting thread and plenty of info for people to consider both sides of the Atlantic.

Single protein source or multiple protein source it doesn't matter. What matters is how digestible they are. Beef is less digestible than chicken or fish; an old or stressed animal will produce poorer meat quality. Beef/Lamb/Duck/Chicken/Fish generally in that order. Protein is simply a chain of amino acids which when put together undertake a task, if the balance is wrong then the diet is unbalanced. Tripe is less digestible than meat and contains more fat so good for a greedy underweight dog as an add on. Feather protein is 0% digestible. Excess protein is expelled through urine so too much is pointless and is excessive pressure on the digestive system.

Fats are an energy source and source of soluble vitamins. Good in appropriate quantities and qualities but like protein bad in excess.

Carbohydrates are one of the first energy sources to be used especially in anaerobic activities. Each has a function. Wheat is slow digestion so excess will pass through and can cause allergies but will aid a dog feeling fuller for longer. Rice is hi GI so quick and easy so gentler to digest. The issue with plant proteins is that dogs don't find them as attractive as meat proteins so in order that dogs get this in their diet hydrolysed coatings are used to make them more attractive. That is basically a fat which has no protein so won't cause potential intolerances. Also called gravy or digest.

Dogs (domestic, village and wild) and wolves are omnivores so source fibre and carbohydrates from their environment. In the wild it would be ruminant faeces but domestically would be from commercial foods. Although not essential will promote a healthy gut and longer life; not something wild animals care for as they don't have poop bags.

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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #20 on: Sep 13, 2016, 10:30 »
Thank you very much for updating this thread. I found your post very interesting and informative. It will also be useful for people whose dogs have specific dietary needs.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 14, 2016, 11:49 »
Rhebden - after reading your post again, there are a couple of things that I would like to ask.  I take your point about too much protein being wasteful as it is just deaminated and excreted but I wonder if you have any figures for what this figure might be? 

The other thing that I was curious about is your comments about carbohydrate, particularly rice.  I have a feeling that pet owners are beginning to believe that grain free = good and any food with grain in it = bad.  You mentioned rice being easy to digest. My own dogs have food with brown rice in it and I would prefer that to a grain free  product that is heavy in white potato as there is more for the dog, nutritionally speaking.  As you say, some grain is not very good for the dog but do you think that pet owners need to understand that grain is not all bad?  If so, how do we get that across in the face of the increasing number of grain free pet food that is coming onto the market?
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 22, 2017, 10:29 »
Thank you for the link. I am going to study it because sometimes I wonder about a dog having too much protein. I understand that excess protein is just excreted in the urine. That is rather wasteful so how much is too much?
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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #23 on: Feb 17, 2017, 07:34 »
Change is very necessary otherwise your dog may get bored of eating same type of food again and again. I keep changing the type of food my dog gets every other day so that he stays excited about the "newness" on his food bowl.

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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #24 on: Sep 27, 2017, 21:11 »
Thanks for the input. This has helped me learn a lot about the dog food that I should be feeding my 4 legged friend!

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 02, 2018, 18:11 »
This article from a veterinary practice contains useful advice on what to look for when choosing pet food. The content is mostly similar to our previous discussions on this thread. I think it sums it up quite nicely and would be most helpful to dog owners, new and not so new:
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When looking for a good commercial dog food, here are some important things to look out for;

A protein (meat) source should be listed as the number 1 ingredient, rather than cereals/grains being the highest percentage.
Choose a food that lists the specific protein type, if the label says ‘chicken’ or ‘beef’ it usually means fresh prepared chicken/beef.
Avoid food that lists ‘meat’ rather than a particular type, meat means it could be any type of protein and it may change from one batch to another, which isn’t ideal for dogs with sensitivities to certain proteins as you cannot guarantee what protein has been used.
Avoid foods listing ‘animal derivatives’ as the protein source. This could mean any products and parts of the carcass, it could cover high quality meat or it could include low quality body parts with little nutritional value.
Artificial colours should be avoided, if your pet food is multicoloured, don’t be fooled into thinking the green is vegetables! Just like with humans, artificial colouring should be avoided where possible.
There is also a trend at present for ‘grain free’ commercial pet foods, there is lots of information circulating the internet saying grains are bad for dogs, however this isn’t strictly true as there are many types of grains.

Wholegrain rice is easily digested by dogs once it’s well cooked and it contains a lots of natural nutrients including three B vitamins, iron, manganese, selenium, magnesium and omega-3 oils. It’s also a excellent source of fibre, which is important for intestinal health. If this was listed as the grain choice it would be preferable over a food that uses wheat, which is regularly linked with dietary intolerance in dogs.

We’d recommend avoiding foods which list ‘cereals’ or ‘grains’ rather than the particular type. This can refer to any product of any cereal including wheat, rice, oats, barley, maize etc. so you cannot guarantee which type of grain has been used.
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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2018, 07:30 »
It is all pretty complicated - no one single rule for what is good really applies although a "baddies" are easily identified and yet still Bakers sells!!
Probably the hardest part is knowing the quality of the food ingredients - so when your chosen grain free seems to be using sweet potato, in our mind its the gorgeous fluffy cooked middle, but is it just low quality husks imported from thousands of miles away?  How can we tell?
Price is a good guide i suppose, but is it also worth considering the size and the history of the company producing it? eg is Burns "better" than JWB and if so is this because JWB is part of the Mars empire and Burns is independent? Maybe factory visit reviews would be the icing on the cake but how many will allow that to happen


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Re: The principles of selecting a suitable food for your dog
« Reply #27 on: Sep 06, 2018, 07:30 »
Earlier this year David added the article ‘Why dog food matters’ to the website. It is very useful for pet owners who are wondering what to feed their dog.
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