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Dog foods / Re: Food suggestions for a toy poodle
« on: Nov 27, 2020, 19:57 »
My point about cold pressed food was to explain to Kate that it is different to the more usual extruded food and that it is an alternative. Many people do not know of these products. With that in mind, I directed her to David's resource article on the types of food and in that he has this to say about cold pressed food:
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Cold pressed dog foods are still relatively new on the scene but are growing in popularity rapidly as they present all of the advantages of more conventional dry food processing but without the potentially damaging high temperatures. Ingredients do, however, still have to be dried and ground before pressing and some, like grains, also have to be pre-cooked so there is a certain level of processing, but the final stage is certainly a lot less intensive than extrusion.

Kate is a new puppy owner and my aim was to make the subject as clear and simple as possible and to help her navigate through the choices. It’s important that she finds a good quality food that will help to keep her pup in tip top condition. I don't really want to cause confusion by going into the finer details of processing, suffice it to say that there is more than one option when it comes to dry food.

I appreciate your thoughts on this subject but it is not appropriate to have a discussion about the manufacture of cold pressed foods within this thread. However, if you would like to share any information that you have about this please could you contact David? I am sure he would be interested. We also have a designated thread on cold pressed food which I linked in my reply.

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Dog foods / Re: Food suggestions for a toy poodle
« on: Nov 27, 2020, 18:48 »
Hello Kate. Welcome to the forum. Yes, it is confusing selecting a suitable food for a dog, particularly a puppy. There are so many on the market. There is a thread here which might be helpful for you.When you have looked at the thread, please feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Products that are labelled 'puppy' contain higher protein levels. However, there are many high quality  dry foods that already contain more protein so if you choose one of these there would be no need to change when the puppy gets older.

A good place to start is the Dog Food Directory because if you use the filters it will narrow down your search. I always tick the boxes for clearly labelled and no red ingredients. If you use these in conjunction with the rating slider set at 75% to 100% it will return the better quality products.

These days we are fortunate in that we have different types of dry food. Most are extruded which means they are highly processed and subject to high temperatures in the manufacturing process. There are also baked foods which are processed slightly differently. Cold pressed products are very different as they are not subjected to high temperatures and they are becoming quite popular now. There is a thread about this type of product here.  They are often all age so you would not need to change food as puppy grows - it is usually the quantity that is adjusted.  Added to this list there are a few foods that are freeze or air dried and just need water adding to reconstitute them. There is a better explanation about the types of food here.

Dogs can benefit by having some variety in their diet and the problem with dry food is that there usually isn't any.  You can enhance dry food with a little fresh, cooked food if you wish.  We have a thread about enhancing dry food here.

I have given you quite a lot of reading there but learning something about dog food will pay dividends in the long run, particularly when starting out with a puppy. 

When you transition your puppy to a better quality food, take things steady and gradually increase the new one as you decrease the Royal Canin.

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General discussion / Re: Cold Pressed dog food (appetite)
« on: Nov 23, 2020, 15:59 »
The only reason I changed from cold pressed food is because I was enhancing it with fresh cooked food and as I was pushed for time I thought it would easier to just change to a complete fresh cooked food. Also, with these products the dog gets to have variety.

Fish4Dogs sardine might attract a higher nutrition score because it doesn’t contain salmon digest. It also contains two types of fish. I recall that digest was marked as a red ingredient. However, I have just looked at Superior Adult and it does contain this but it’s not marked as a red ingredient now. It seems that digest has been removed from some of the other versions. 

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General discussion / Re: Cold Pressed dog food (appetite)
« on: Nov 23, 2020, 08:56 »
I fed cold pressed food for quite some time. My dogs did well on it but I understand what you are saying about hunger. The portion size does seem small, especially in comparison with dry extruded food. I used to supplement with fresh cooked food as you are doing but in order to prevent weight gain I fed the bottom end of the cold pressed RDA for their weight.

I don’t know whether this is relevant but I have read that fat sates the appetite and cold pressed food usually has lower levels of this. If a dog has been fed dry food for some time it will maybe have got used to the feeling of fullness as it expands in the stomach. This can be seen in the videos of digestion comparison between cold pressed and extruded food. I have always fed three smaller meals per day to stave off the apparent hunger and it seems to help. Perhaps your dog will, in time get used to the amount and will settle down. As you say, it is important to keep her weight down pre spey surgery.

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Dog foods / Re: Nutriwolds
« on: Nov 23, 2020, 08:37 »
It’s good that a new company has secured funding in this region, especially as it has provided jobs in the Yorkshire region. From the description a lot of thought has gone into it and I hope that it is successful.

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Hello and welcome to the forum. We have lots of information and links in our Home cooking section of the forum.  Have a good look in there as you might find it helpful.

It is better to take advice from a qualified pet nutritionist, not least because your dog has a health problem. Also, all home cooked meals require the correct supplementation, calcium and omega oils in particular. Here are three links to  qualified nutritionists who can provide you with balanced recipes. There may be a charge but once you have them, they remain yours:

Canine Nutritionist
Vet Chef
My Pet Nutritionist

Another alternative for fresh cooked food is Different Dog. The company has nine or ten recipes at the moment and some of them are lower in fat. Speak to their advisers if interested.

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Holistic Vet/Rodney Habib posted this on Facebook:
The Effect of Atopic Dermatitis and Diet on the Skin Transcriptome in Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
It is a new small study.
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Shows raw food fed dogs had an enhancement of innate immunity & decrease in oxidative stress, which may prevent hypersensitivities  & disturbed immunity at young age.

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A new cold pressed food on the market is Hug Pet Food.

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Raw feeding / Hug Pet Food
« on: Nov 13, 2020, 20:12 »
Hug Pet Food raw is a new, innovative pet food product. It can be cooked so this is a cross reference to the thread in the home cooking section of the forum.

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Home cooking / Hug Pet Food
« on: Nov 13, 2020, 20:08 »
I wasn’t sure where to put this because Hug Pet Food  products are technically raw. However, there is a difference because they don’t contain bone so can be cooked. It sounds quite innovative and makes fresh cooked food for pets easy to achieve.

The company also sells cold pressed dog food.

Website

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Some years ago I was trying to reduce the weight of one of my dogs. I talked to someone from one of the big dog food companies and she told me that calories were not so important in feeding dogs. I tend to agree and rarely look at the calorific value of foods. So much depends upon what the dog is like and it’s activity level. I have two dogs, same breed, same level of activity. One is small and never puts weight on. The other is larger and the normal size for the breed. She gains weight very easily. Currently they have the same amount of food, despite the difference in size and weight. I check their body condition regularly and weigh them from time to time.

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Hello Steve_Apts. It's good to hear that you have found something that is helping your dog to gain weight. I am not familiar with Skinners Superior so have just checked it out - link. Dry weight nutrients are protein 32.6%, fat 21.7%, carbohydrate 34.2% (above average). Possibly these higher levels are helping your dog to gain weight, particularly the carbs as they are efficient in releasing energy. 

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Hello Steve_Apts.   Did you use the body condition slider and answer the neutered/intact question?  David's comments are pertinent:
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.....these figures are only intended to provide a starting point and since every dog is different, finding the correct amount of food for yours will likely require at least a little trial and error. Dogs' nutritional needs also change over time so be sure to recheck how your dog is doing regularly.
 

In my experience there is often wide variations in what a dog needs to sustain a healthy weight. The usual advice to help a dog to gain weight is to use a food with a higher level of fat and protein since both contain more calories than carbohydrate. Also, although exercise is good, too much will be counterproductive.  If you are feeding a high quality, low carb food it might help to add some carbohydrate to it eg cooked, mashed sweet potato or well cooked brown rice. Feeding the dog at least twice a day  might help digestion.

I will ask David to look at your question to answer your specific question about the variation that you have noted and to see if there is anything else he can add. He will reply but it might take a little while so please keep a watch on your thread.

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