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Raw feeding / Re: Rip Off Britain on Raw Food
« on: Jun 08, 2017, 11:29 »
My point was that there are risks from all sorts of foods, not just raw dog meat.

Raw feeding / Re: Rip Off Britain on Raw Food
« on: Jun 08, 2017, 09:02 »
I feed raw food to my dogs. I like to think I apply sensible hygeine measures to all the food I prepare. Whilst not wishing to go off on a tangent it is worth noting people have suffered ecoli and samonella from eating washed bagged salad. Indeed 2 people died from eating bagged rocket. We seemed to have lost all common sense approach to handling food.

I last posted in April and since then it's been a bit of a rollacoaster. My dog was first diagnosed with pancreatitis in April, in May he had a bought of colitis and in June another attack of pancreatitis so as you can imagine  feeding and caring for him has been difficult to say the least. Rightly or wrongly I still can't bring myself to feed a dry food and as is well documented finding a wet/raw food with a dry matter fat level below 10% is impossible, unless you feed Royal Canin which is 1.7 wet.Added to this my dog lost a lot of weight. After the last attack I really tried with the Royal Canin. Prior to becoming ill he was fed  250g of raw a day. I got as far as feeding 500g of RC and he was still loosing weight. The RDA for RC is 675g but I couldnt see any way I would get that much down him, or how it could be good for his digestion to be feeding almost 3 times as much food. I also worked out it would cost me over £120 per month!
He was so thin and depressed I couldn't go on with it so I found a couple of recipes for feeding a poorly dog and started home cooking for him. He gradually began to pick up, put on weight and be so much more happier.
in the mean time I continued to research feeding with pancreatitis. I still can't find out where the 10%dry matter figure came from and as I've said before in my thinking naturally occurring moisture is good, and easier to digest. So I have looked at raw and wet foods below 10% . I then spoke to some one who works for a vet who advises one of the raw food companies.  By chance she had a dog with pancreatitis and she was managing to feed raw. Like me she has difficulty keeping weight on her dog and so she mixes different fat levels together. So since then I have gradually introduced raw to his diet. Natural Instinct do a Special range at 4.6 and I add their Banquet turkey to it. To keep the variety he also has Nutriment Low Purine at 7.9 and some times venison or Senior. He has 2 raw meals and 1 homecooked a day. He is putting on weight and is bright and happy again. My vet is aware of my thoughts.
I appreciate myactions have no nutritional basis but my thinking  feels right to me and my dog is clearly happy. Only time will tell. He may have further attacks and my vet says they could happen even on Royal Canin so I will continue with my regime.
One final point, another post elsewhere mentions treats. I have to say I'm not a big treat giver. They both have cooked chicken or liver training treats and raw veg when I'm preparing my evening meal and thats about it

Thanks for everyones comments and advice. I'm going to start introducing some home cooking and see how it goes. I'll let you know how we get on.

Since my last post I've continued with the Royal Canin whilst I continue my research. He's doing fine at the moment. I have a couple of issues I'm struggling with. David's article refers to feeding foods with fat of 10% or less Dry Matter. Whilst I can see the need to use the dry matter calculation when comparing kibble with wet or raw, I'm struggling to see why it is necesary to use this when only looking at wet or raw. The way I look at it the moisture is a good thing and means the food levels are diluted and therefore more gentle on his digestive system. I read recently that dogs need protein, fat and naturally occurring moisture. I've spoken to a number of manufacturers, raw and wet and kibble and no one seens to know where this dry matter guide has come from. I should say I've come across it elsewhere in my research so it's not just Davids guidance.
Secondly David mentions using Salmon oil or EPA oil. I don't know if I'm having a senile moment but can anyone tell me what EPA is! Also I was surprised oil supplements are good given the fat issue. I'm particularly interest given David's comments about reducing lipid as I believe it is something to do with high lipids that effects schnauzers.
I wonder if David could help with these points raised by his article

The current posts and David's article on pancreatitis are timly for me as last week one of my minature schnauzers spent 2 days 'in hospital' with what the diagnosed as low grade pancreatis. He's home now and much better. I am aware schnauzers are prone to this but apart from his breed he is not overweight, gets plenty of exercise and hasn't had what the vet calls a fry up, he is 13.
For the last year he has been fed raw, either Nutriment or Natural Instinct. He also has some home cooked and the occasional tinned. I am reluctantly feeding Royal Canin Gastrintestinal Lo Fat wet. It's tuly awful! Meat and animal derivative, vegetable and vegetable derevatives, cereal, topped of with a chemical found in wash powder which increases sodium x5. Protein7.5 Fat 1.7 Goodness knows where the nutrition is.
So since he was diagnosed I've been glued to the internet researching. What I find difficult to get my head round is this dry matter issue. I understand the calculation(just) and the need to calculate a level playing field but as David has said if I want to feed wet or raw there isnt anything under 10. Nutriment do their Low Purine and Natural Instinct their Special but with their dry calculation are well over 10.
Also before I settled on raw he test drove many wet foods. With low fat I found he didn't keep weight on and I had to keep increasing the amount fed. One of the reasons I settled on raw was I could feed him less food.
currently I'm intending to put him on to homecooked next and then try reintroduce some raw. I just cannot believe feeding something like Royal Canin can be better than feeding quality ingredients. Surely it must be easier to digest
Lastly, the vet couldn't give me a fat level other than reading the figure off the tin and said it is possible he could have another attack whilst eating th R C.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I think Tinyplanets puts the case beautifully! I've written before that I feed raw, the occasional tinned and home cooked meals. The latter includes different meats and veg and sometimes rice. They get the occasional raw egg and tinned sardines. I'm no great cook but my dogs don't seem to mind! They also have veg when I prepare my meals and fruit. (No grapes)
Often the issue of a balanced diet is raised. As I understand it this doesn't mean every meal must be completely balanced, but over a couple of weeks. Perhaps I'm cynical but I wonder if it isn't just another subtle marketing ploy to erode our confidence and keep us buying from the manufactures, good or bad.
My dogs get plenty of variety,  have no digestive upsets, look great and are full of energy.

Hello, I too have concerns about the acrylamide issue and it is one of the reasons I do not feed dry food. I like the food to have gone through the minimum of processing. I also feel variety is important. I feed mine raw, home cooked or tinned. Home cooking is not as difficult as you may think and there is plenty of advice and recipes about. I use a slow cooker. As for the difficulties with raw I would suggest you speak to the different companies. There are different recommendations on how to introduce it.  I've been dealing with Honeys recently and the are very helpful, as are Nutriment. Also prepared raw does vary. Honeys and Wolf Tucker is coarser, more like mince we buy, Nutriment and Natural Instinct much wetter. Ive only tried Natures Menu nuggets and they are not too wet.
I would also recommend you read all the information on this site and the advice papers. There are many dubious ingredients about. You might want to put the ingredients of More into the calculator to see how it scores. I notice it does have a couple of contentious ingredient in maize and digest.

Dog foods / Re: Platinum Iberico - pork?.
« on: Nov 10, 2015, 17:46 »
I recently spoke to Honeys dog food regarding their raw food. One of the meats available is pork. I recall as a child (a long time ago!) my mother saying pork should be cooked well as it could contain parasities. I raised this with Honeys who said many years ago this was correct. It originated from people keeping a pig in their back garden and feeding it a poor diet. This parasite has been completely eradicated now and it is perfectly safe.

Dog foods / Re: Confused about food
« on: Oct 27, 2015, 16:32 »
There are many wet foods as good a quality as dry and they are just as good for digestion if not better as there is generally less processing invoved. The same principles as choosing dry food apply.i.e. first and main ingredient meat,  grain free etc. Pets at Home have some good quality ones, Natures Menu, Forthglade, Wainwrights Grain Free and others. You usually find them stacked seperately from the poor quality foods. Many independant pet shops also stock some good quality wet foods. If she is a little picky about food she may find wet more palitable so please don't dismiss it. 

Dog treats / Re: treats containing garlic
« on: Oct 12, 2015, 17:42 »
If you go to the ingredients page of this site, select vegetables, you will find comprehensive information on garlic. It appears to have some very good properties, just not in huge amounts.

Dog foods / Re: Quality kibble
« on: Oct 09, 2015, 14:38 »
I agree with Tinyplanets. I feed raw because I want my dogs to eat food that has undergone the minimum of processing. I also worry about the carcinagenic issues around foods processed at high heat. David covers this in one of his Nutritional Articles under Acrylamide. I also think variety is important. As well as feeding a variety of raw meats (I use prepared raw not diy) I feed the occasional wet meal and some home cooking, the odd bone and occasional tin ofsardines. On the home cooking front I am not a cook but I put some meat covered in water in my slow cooker and leave it to do its thing, add some grated veg and sometimes rice near the end. Seems to go down a treat.
In the course of my research into dog foods over the last 18 months I have often asked myself having  escaped from the marketing machine of the likes of Pedigree have I fallen into another, that of these smaller companies with their foods full of tempting ingredients. Then I remember as a child (a very long time ago) we had a dachshund. He was fed beast cheek (now a delicacy in Waitrose) liver and other bits and pieces. He was never ill and lived to be 18. What these companies do is erode our confidence. 
I also think that feeding the same kibble every day must be like groundhog day for the dog. Imagine having the same highly processed meal everyday of your life.

Dog foods / Re: SBT puppy food
« on: Sep 06, 2015, 08:53 »
I know how confusing all the information can be. In the course of my research there's been many times when it's 'done my head in'! I can only recommend studying the ingredients page on this site. Deciding what you feel is acceptable. Look at the ingredients in the foods you mention, are there any highlighted? Look at these, are you prepared to feed them. If someone is recommending a food, ask why they think it's good. Dottie posted sometime ago that many people feed foods on recommendation but don't know what is in it. Many dogs do fine on poor quality food. I know mine had Pedigree Chum for many years. It's only when you change to a higher quality you realise how much better they can be. Also in terms of cost it can often work out cheaper to feed a more expensive food as they need less. Also you can change about, infact I would recommend variety. Mine tried lots of different foods before I settled on raw, occasional tins and home cooking. 

Dog foods / Re: Bichon Friies feeding
« on: Sep 06, 2015, 08:36 »
Hello, just another thought. I was wondering when he has these hyper periods what do you do? In your first post you mention chasing after him to retrieve your underwear!  Often if you chase after a dog it just adds to their fun and increases the behaviour. If possible it might be better to ignore him. Try not to leave things around he might steal, I know its not easy. Or distract him with treats or a toy. I had little pots of training treats placed all over the house, just incase. Also my dog is good at 'sit' Often I make him sit just to get him back focussed on me.

I can recommend a book Helping Minds Meet by Helen Zulch and Daniel Mills, both of Lincoln University Animal Behaviour Clinic. It explains how dogs think, what their body language says and how they react to our behaviour. It's an easy book to read and not very thick!

Dog foods / Re: Bichon Friies feeding
« on: Sep 05, 2015, 08:14 »
I'm sorry you've had this set back, the road to finding the right food can be frustrating and expensive! Like Dottie I can't see anything obvious that would trigger the hyperactivity, I'm not sure about bison and know little about it but when my dog was having his behavioural problems I did think he was worse when eating beef.
I mentioned previously that I'm not a fan of dry food. Have you thought of trying wet? The ingredients  are often simpler and its less proccessed. If the hyperactivity comes on after a couple of days it might be less wasteful and expensive. Or have you thought of trying raw? Pets at Home stock Natures Menu nuggets which are easy to feed as you just defrost the number you need. Natures Menu have guidelines on their site. Or theres home cooking. I personally would look for something less highly proccessed.
Do keep us informed.

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