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Title: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 25, 2015, 09:05
Whilst researching a well known American dog food brand recently. I came across a blog (August 2015) on their website that mentioned Pentobarbital, the drug used in the euthanasia of humans, dogs and other animals has been found in major brands of dog food for sale in America. They were in fact referring to the FDA report of 2002. I think it is something worth mentioning. The FDA released a report on Pentobarbital in dog food in 2002, it is assumed Pentobarbital residue is entering pet food from rendered feed ingredients of cattle or even horses. www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OfficeofFoods/CVM/CVMFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm129131.htm
Although I stand to be corrected, as far as I am aware nothing has changed to this day.
Now, whether rendered cats and dogs including those with Pentobarbital residue are in fact in some American dog foods, that is a subject very much at the heart of the dog food truth-seekers and their websites.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Nov 15, 2015, 12:04
David mentioned this study back in March. However it is worth revisiting as many may not have read the actual study itself. To recap, in March 2015 a study titled " Investigation into the animal species contents of popular wet pet foods" was published. It was a study where researchers looked at the ingredients of 17 cat and dog wet foods available in the UK.
www.actavetscand.com/content/57/1/7
This was also mentioned in some of the newspapers at the time.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pets-falling-ill-to-undeclared-animal-ingredients-in-their-food-10147612.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3020601/The-pet-food-swindle-Polar-brands-contain-high-quantities-meat-not-label-including-tins-beef-really-63-cent-chicken.html
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 07, 2015, 19:29
A new report has been published on the American pet food industry. The full report can be read here
www.cornucopia.org/2015/11/new-report-exposes-dangerousunhealthy-pet-food/#more-18352
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 18, 2015, 13:53
A study into the occurrence of mycotoxins in 48 samples of extruded dry dog food found in the Italian market was published earlier this year.
www.petfooddiva.com/new-study-finds-widespread-mycotoxin-contamination-in-commercial-dry-pet-food/
The full text can be read here
www.researchgate.net/publication/272524027_Occurrence_of_mycotoxins_in_extruded_commercial_dog_food
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Dec 18, 2015, 19:30
It is all very concerning.  With so many horror stories about the food industry in terms of human food, it is worrying thinking about what may be going into pet food!
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Dec 18, 2015, 21:01
Thank you for bringing this to our attention Seaweed.  For anyone who is reading this and has not heard of mycotoxins (that goes for me), here is an explanation of what they are:
"A mycotoxin is a toxic secondary metabolite produced by organisms of the fungi kingdom, commonly known as molds. The term 'mycotoxin' is usually reserved for the toxic chemical products produced by fungi that readily colonize crops. One mold species may produce many different mycotoxins, and the same mycotoxin may be produced by several species." (from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin)).

The government Food Standards Agency report on Mycotoxins in food and animal feed is
here (https://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/farmingfood/mycotoxins/about).

I need to study the earlier links more carefully but I see that one of them is Italian.  I am not sure what their standards are regarding manufacture and storage of pet food.  I wonder if the results may be different if the research was repeated elsewhere.  Both articles cite grain as being the cause of the fungus so opting for a grain free product when using extruded food seems a sensible option if one is worried about it.   

There are many risk factors in life and this is perhaps one of those but there are millions of dogs who have extruded food and are quite healthy.  It seems that whatever we feed our dogs there is a risk of one sort or another.  Even home made food is said to be problematical if we do not get the balance right.  Personally, I feel that we can quite easily fret about this sort of thing and it can spoil the enjoyment of our pets if we let it.  However, for those who feed dry food but who would wish to minimize exposure to mycotoxins in their pet's diet, the guidelines in one of the articles seems very straightforward and easy to follow:

    * Opt for a pet food that is free of cereal grains.
    * If you must feed a commercial food containing cereal grains, call the manufacturer and ask them what steps they take to avoid mycotoxin exposure.
    * Also ask the pet food company whether they routinely test for mycotoxin contamination.
    * Rotate your kibble with a high-quality canned food or a home-prepared meal a couple of times a week.


Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 30, 2015, 12:02
Carrageenan is an ingredient found in some wet dog foods that has been causing concern for some time and it would be easy to fill this topic up with nothing but links.
Carrageenan can be found in some wet dog foods in the UK so if concerned it's worth checking the label. The links below can explain far better than I but basically Carrageenan is used for gelling, thickening and stabilising food. It has been linked to inflammation of the stomach that can lead to ulceration's or worse.
A full study "Review of harmful gastrointestinal effects of carrageenan in animal experiments." can be read in pdf at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pcm/articles/PMC1242073/
www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/carrageenan-just-dont-do-it/
www.ukfoodguide.net/e407.htm
www.truthaboutpetfood.com/why-carrageenan-can-be-dangerous-to-your-pet/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Dec 30, 2015, 20:38
A good find Seaweed. I only really read about this a few months ago when checking out alternatives to milk. It is sometimes used as a thickener in soy milk and coconut or almond milk. Probably a number of other foods too.  It looks like some manufacturers are phasing it out due to consumer demand. 
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 31, 2015, 07:45
That was good work Tinyplanets finding Carrageenan when looking into alternative milks. In America there is the "GUT WRENCHING! Tell FDA to Remove Toxin (Carrageenan) from Food" petition". It seems a common ingredient in American wet dog food but not so prevalent in UK wet dog food. However saying that it didn't take long to find some that did have it as an ingredient. ZiwiPeak have now taken Carrageenan out of their moist canned dog foods and now use Agar-Agar as gelling agent. www.ziwipeak.com/frequently-asked-questions/carrageenan-in-ziwipeaks-canned-product/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Dec 31, 2015, 10:56
Have you found any wet food containing this that is sold in the UK?  I cannot remember seeing it when I have looked at various wet food products.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 31, 2015, 20:28
Dottie, Fish4Dogs Trout Mousse and Salmon Mousse has Carrageenan in the ingredients. Carrageenan also flags up in the AADF food directory with Advanced Nutrition and Husse Adult Meaty Chunks also Husse Light Meaty Chunks. I expect it is in just a few UK dog foods but not widespread. If I stumble across any I will update.
www.fish4dogs.com/Products/trout-mousse-4-dogs.aspx
www.fish4dogs.com/Products/dog-salmon-mousse-4-dogs.aspx
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Jan 12, 2016, 16:03
"Scientist Accidentally Discovers a Possible Culprit in the Growing Incidence of Cancer" as a test, Dr Turesky analysed the fur of his own dogs and much to his surprise, discovered the presence of one of the carcinogens he is researching. Since his dogs don’t eat grilled steaks or burgers, it seemed clear they were being exposed through their own processed pet food diet.
An interesting Skype video between Dr Karen Becker and Dr Robert Turesky.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/05/27/cooked-meat-carcinogens.aspx
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Jan 12, 2016, 16:56
It does seem odd that more research hasn't been done in this area. An interesting read.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 09, 2016, 09:45
An article in three parts on "What The Pet Food Label Doesn't Tell You".
http://www.thoughtfulpets.co.uk/dogs/advice-for-dogs/digestion/what-the-pet-food-label-doesnt-tell-you-part-1-natural-hypoaller?sid=4k402meip9ndr11ic5ncub5567
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Oct 10, 2016, 11:44
Thank you for the link Seaweed.  I have read the article and the information within it is most interesting.  I always like to see information that is referenced and this one is.

Labels describing food as hypoallergnic, natural and sensitive:
The title of the piece is not particularly descriptive so it is worth mentioning that the article is about the regulations surrounding the use of the words hypoallergenic, natural and sensitive.   Clearly this is going to be particularly useful for owners whose pets are thought to have intolerance e.g. digestive, skin problems etc. This article would make very useful reading for those people, particularly as in some cases the labels can be misleading.

Because the subject is pertinent to food intolerance I have updated the thread on
Food intolerance and exclusion diets (http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/forum/feeding-dogs-with-health-problems/14/food-intolerance-and-exclusion-diets/762/msg4290;topicseen#msg4290) so that it can be located more easily should anyone need the information.

Other articles on the website are also referenced and one that took my attention is
Storage Mites, a Common Cause of Skin Allergy in Dogs. (http://www.thoughtfulpets.co.uk/dogs/advice-for-dogs/allergies/storage-mites-a-common-cause-of-skin-allergies-in-dogs?sid=uqe3cqf1na785d2fauapciiu34)

Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 21, 2016, 10:04
A study concerning BPA (Bisphenol A) being used in the lining of dog food cans has recently been published. I do not know to what extent this is used in the UK. I asked Lily's Kitchen back in Dec 2015 if they used BPA in the lining of their dog food tins, they assured me that none of their tins are lined with BPA. Another company I contacted did not know off hand and they would have to ask the manufacturer. I will pursue this further with them in the New Year.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969716326274
http://time.com/4606906/bpa-canned-food-dogs/
https://www.food.gov.uk/science/bpa
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Jan 25, 2017, 12:47
Good Point Meg. I would be interested to know what chemicals are used instead of BPA. BPA is in so many products. http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/2012/dog-toys
Royal Jelly is worth researching as regards BPA as I believe there was Human study/trial done in 2006/2007.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Alfshuman on Feb 16, 2017, 07:37
Morning!  I volunteer as a Pet  Adviser for the Dachshund Breed Council and help to advise pet owners on Facebook and other social media about buying and owning a Dachshund. I always point them towards the AADF site if they ask about food as what suits one dog doesn't suit another, suggesting they buy the best quality food they can afford of the type that works best for them.

Today someone in the States has sent me this link http://truthaboutpetfood.com/which-pet-foods-have-bpa-free-cans/  and I have to confess I had never heard of this issue before. Can you confirm what the situation is here in the U.K.?  Is the use of BPA regulated here? According to the article it is in Europe , but maybe that doesn't include UK - or post BREXIT maybe this is one of those very little known about  bits of legislation that will be affected.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 16, 2017, 18:30
BPA is in the UK. The EU banned BPA from baby bottles from 2011, I believe. Regarding dog food, how much it is used in lining of cans or plastic tubs etc I do not know. I do urge anyone concerned to contact their dog food manufacturer for clarification as to whether their food packaging is BPA free.
Some dog food manufactures do seem to be interested in being BPA free. Raw food companies, Benyfit Natural's new packaging is BPA Free, Natural Instinct use rPet, (recycled polyethylene terephthalate) , Paleo Ridge Raw use completely biodegradable packaging made from 100% recycled cardboard/paper.


Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Alfshuman on Feb 17, 2017, 09:05
But does anyone know about this EU legislation on BPU in cans? Maybe it is kept to very low limits?
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Apr 29, 2017, 17:39
The Clean Label Project™ (USA) is a non profit project focused on health and transparency in consumer product labeling, they completed a study of over 900 pet food products from 71 brands. Products were screened for over 130 toxins including heavy metals, BPA, pesticides and other contaminants with links to cancer and other health conditions in both humans and animals.
I noticed Orijen had three products in the bottom 10, (Dry dog food)
http://www.cleanlabelproject.org/product-ratings/pet-food/
https://www.facebook.com/CleanLabelProject/?fref=nf
http://www.kshb.com/news/national/are-pet-foods-safe-for-your-pets
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Meg on Apr 29, 2017, 22:24
Wow! Great to hear of the Project Seaweed, thanks for the heads up and the links. Might I add to your quote
Quote
I noticed Orijen had three products in the bottom 10, (Dry dog food)
......... yes Acana also with 2 products.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Apr 30, 2017, 06:28
Thanks, Meg. Acana as many will know is from the same stable as Orijen (Champion Pet Foods). I haven't been able to find a statement from Champion Pet foods on the poor ratings of the said dog foods. Susan Thixton of Truth about pet food.com mentioned the Clean Label Project in the following article "The New Buzz Word of Pet Food"
http://truthaboutpetfood.com/the-new-buzz-word-of-pet-food/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Apr 30, 2017, 08:29
Thank you Seaweed.  You certainly bring some interesting information for us to peruse. Regarding labelling, the UK organisation Campaign for Real Pet Food was set up by a group of companies some years ago and one of the main aims of it was clear labelling. I can recall a few of those companies - Feelwells, Collards, Naturediet. Others slip my memory.  ???
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Aug 03, 2017, 08:32
The Clean Label Project (Denver) are running a pet cancer survey.
Taken from The Clean Label Project, " The Clean Label Project is now soliciting data from pet parents who have or have had a dog or cat that was diagnosed with cancer—to examine the data and any correlations that can be made between their food and types of cancer".
http://www.cleanlabelproject.org/press-releases/pet-food-cancer-study-submit-pets-diet-medical-history-scientific-review/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Aug 17, 2017, 09:11
A new study  "Mineral analysis of complete dog and cat foods in the UK and compliance with European guidelines" can be viewed at
http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/08/04/172544
the full text can be read by clicking Download PDF. This is a preprint, for further information on this see [what does this mean].
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 20, 2017, 19:40
An interesting Mycotoxin Study.  http://truthaboutpetfood.com/interesting-mycotoxin-study/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 10, 2018, 06:24
Pentobarbital found in dog food.
http://truthaboutpetfood.com/pentobarbital-found-in-gravy-train-dog-food/
http://www.poisonedpets.com/deadly-drug-found-dog-food-smuckers-gravy-train-contaminated-pentobarbital/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 13, 2018, 06:42
An update to Pentobarbital in dog food "Lawsuit Filed Against Big Heart Brand Gravy Train "
http://truthaboutpetfood.com/lawsuit-filed-against-big-heart-brand-gravy-train/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 16, 2018, 06:29
Pentobarbital in dog food.
http://www.poisonedpets.com/ol-roy-dog-food-withdrawn-deadly-drug-contamination-pentobarbital-found-canned-dog-food/
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2018/02/gravy-train-ol-roy-other-brands-recalled-for-euthanasia-drug/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 17, 2018, 08:26
Pentobarbital in dog food, a further article from Poisoned Pets.
http://www.poisonedpets.com/smuckers-withdraws-pet-food-amid-deadly-drug-dog-food-scandal-additional-skippy-lots-ol-roy-dog-treats-named/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Meg on Feb 17, 2018, 20:53
Thanks Seaweed I appreciate your letting us know as it's wise to be made aware that this is happening. Though isn't this absolutely shocking and dreadfully sad to be occurring again......and again it seems... 
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: ofs on Feb 18, 2018, 08:34
A video about tthe pentobarbital cases  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ulSKofTS4&utm_content=67381760&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ulSKofTS4&utm_content=67381760&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook)
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 19, 2018, 06:50
Thank you for posting the video link ofs. Poisoned Pets have a further update. http://www.poisonedpets.com/fda-warns-drug-dog-food/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Feb 19, 2018, 18:39
The latest article from Susan Thixton "FDA and AAFCO "have Allowed Illegal Pet Food for Twenty Years.
http://truthaboutpetfood.com/fda-and-aafco-have-allowed-illegal-pet-food-for-twenty-years/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Mar 04, 2018, 06:15
Whole Dog Journal's blog on the the Clean Label Project.
https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/blog/Unfulfilled-Promises-of-a-Dog-Food-Review-Project-21790-1.html
http://www.cleanlabelproject.org/pet-food/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Mar 06, 2018, 08:08
Pentobarbital in dog food, an update. http://www.poisonedpets.com/smuckers-admits-deadly-drug-pet-food-euthanasia-drug-found-cat-dog-food/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Mar 20, 2018, 07:59
Truth about Petfood, "Lawsuit filed against Champion Pet Food – Acana and Orijen" http://truthaboutpetfood.com/lawsuit-filed-against-champion-pet-food-acana-and-orijen/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Mar 20, 2018, 18:15
Truly shocking. Very worrying. All these revelations serve to undermine consumer confidence further :'(
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Mar 21, 2018, 10:05
A response from Champion Pet Foods regarding "Lawsuit filed against Champion Pet Food"
https://www.facebook.com/ChampionPetfoods/photos/a.359821227429557.81320.206779879400360/1591577597587241/?type=3
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Apr 29, 2018, 15:18
 I noticed the documentary Pet Fooled, (an in-depth look at the commercial pet food industry) is available to view on Netflix.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Apr 30, 2018, 18:27
Thanks for the heads up Seaweed, I will watch it soon.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Jul 03, 2018, 18:50
Judge rules Champion Lawsuit will continue. https://truthaboutpetfood.com/judge-rules-champion-lawsuit-will-continue/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Jul 03, 2018, 21:45
Hopefully the ruling will be in favour of evidencing claims which will deter others from making unsubstantiated statements about products  in the future.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Jul 23, 2018, 18:52
A recent, dog, cat food study.
https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2018/07/02/mislabeling-issue-pet-foods/
"Undeclared animal species in dry and wet novel and hydrolyzed protein diets for dogs and cats detected by microarray analysis"
https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-018-1528-7
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Aug 31, 2018, 18:22
Taste of the Wild Pet Food Class Action Lawsuit. https://truthaboutpetfood.com/taste-of-the-wild-pet-food-class-action-lawsuit/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 02, 2018, 15:25
A recent dog,cat food study (US) "Detection of glyphosate residues in companion animal feeds "
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/10/study-finds-glyphosate-cat-and-dog-food
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749118319067
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 23, 2018, 19:36
How much mercury in popular dog and cat foods? The numbers are surprising.
https://www.unr.edu/nevada-today/blogs/2018/mercury-in-pet-food.
https://www.facebook.com/PetFoodMercury/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Tinyplanets on Oct 23, 2018, 21:30
More unwanted ingredients. I have always tried to avoid too many fish varieties of food as the mercury levels concern me. :(
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 28, 2018, 16:13
Is there Mercury in your dog's food. https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/is-there-mercury-in-pet-food/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Oct 29, 2018, 08:14
Thank you for the information Seaweed. I notice that the link contains information from the USA. I am not sure whether this is pertinent to Europe/UK.  Would you happen to know if this is the case? 
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Oct 29, 2018, 11:27
Dottie whether this is pertinent to the UK I do not know as I have not seen any studies relating to mercury and UK dog food, however it does make you wonder. As you know some USA brands are available in the UK. Also I do wonder about plastic microparticles in fish, have they made their way into dog food?
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Dottie on Oct 29, 2018, 12:19
Thank you Seaweed. I hadn’t thought about plastic micro particles in fish although I had wondered about mercury. However, I wonder if the risks are less in farmed fish.
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Nov 13, 2018, 08:45
Champion Pet Food Lawsuit Amended. https://truthaboutpetfood.com/champion-pet-food-lawsuit-amended-risk-of-inclusion-of-pentobarbital/
Title: Re: Just What is in Dog Food?
Post by: Seaweed on Dec 04, 2018, 08:04
Susan Thixton, did Champion Pet Food use the same ingredient supplier as Gravy Train?
https://truthaboutpetfood.com/did-champion-pet-food-use-the-same-ingredient-supplier-as-gravy-train/