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General discussion / Re: Cold Pressed dog food (appetite)
« on: Nov 23, 2020, 13:23 »
That's interesting Dottie.  May I ask why you stopped using Cold Pressed food?

I had hoped to just feed the Cold Pressed food with no additions but I am pretty sure my dog's behaviour was because she was hungry.  I understand what you are saying about fat sates the appetite but the Purina HA was low fat, only 10%.  The Goat recipe of Cold Pressed is about the same at 10.4%.

I had been feeding Fish4Dogs Sardine in the Finest range, the fat content of that is 15.7% but I was adding extra meat/fish and veg to her food.  I noticed when she was last clipped that her coat is slightly glossy and is staying much blacker than usual (that maybe because I am not letting her loose in the garden to dig holes).  I tried to gradually change from that to the cold pressed but madam picked out the cold press and left the rest!

I am quite sure my dog is being fed too much at the moment, judging by output.  Today she has eaten about 25g of the dry food and not interested in finishing the bowl.  Hopefully she will calm down and not keep pestering for food - which I have to say is very odd for her as she has been difficult to feed in the past.

On a slightly different subject but it may affect her appetite and behaviour, Mia is due to come into season in early December and I wonder if this is having an affect.  Also she was clipped short again nearly three weeks ago so may be using up more energy to keep warm.

Addendum:  I have just done an instant review using the ingredient list of Fish4Dogs Finest Sardine and it comes up at 80%.  I think their recipe must have been tweaked because there are slight differences in the ingredient list and on the Foods review it is listed as 65%.  The Gentle Goat recipe comes up as 86% on the instant review.

General discussion / Cold Pressed dog food (appetite)
« on: Nov 21, 2020, 11:42 »
I have recently changed my miniature poodle to Gentle Cold Pressed dog food following a chat with Beate.  I received samples of the fish and the goat varieties and Mia had them as treats - which she ate very quickly.

Bearing mind that poodles are fussy little devils, food wonderful one day and poison the next!  I spoke with Beate and said it was a shame they didn't do a smaller bag size (smallest is 5kg).  Beate said no problem she could send me a smaller amount, which she did - I received 1.6kg a couple of days later.  Thankfully Mia still loves it and I now have a 5kg bag ready to start.  The only downside is that she is constantly hungry.  The initial food allowance suggested for her weight was 70-80g per day.  I tried this but she was clearly hungry and was going round beating everything up, including me.  Raised the allowance to 85-90g per day but also feeding a small portion of meat or fish or an egg during the day and adding some cooked veg to her evening meal.  This is working out better but I am sure she is putting on weight, judging by the feel of her ribs.  Eeek, I I don't want a fat poodle :-[.

I have usually fed my dog by body condition and weight whilst also looking at the recommendations on the food and calorie count (or what the vet said after she had been ill) - I normally look at this one: which for my 7kg poodle is about 400 kcal per day.  The goat variety of Gentle dog food is 345 kcal/100g.  So about 85g would be about 293 kcal so with the addtion of meat or fish and veg I think I am feeding about the right amount for her - doesn't stop her bringing her kong to be filled with treats though!  (treats being mostly, but not all,  food from her daily allowance).

Until I changed to cold pressed food, Mia was getting about 100g kibble with additional cooked meat or fish and veg daily - she has been eating well on that (previously a struggle to get weight on her).  I do wonder if she just really likes the cold  pressed and being greedy.  Hopefully she will get used to smaller portions because I hope to get her spayed after the next season (due early December) and I believe I would need to cut her food down to stop her putting on weight.

Have to mention how helpful Beate has been.

And one other thing - my standard poodle never ate nearly as much as suggested by his breeder/previous owner or what the food package suggested whether it was wet or dry food.  My friend says the same about her Goldendoodle and my minature would never eat the amount of wet food (or dry extruded for that matter) suggested by the manufacturer.

Dog news / Re: Pet food is harming the planet
« on: Nov 21, 2020, 11:01 »
I agree with you there Dottie, it is the human race that have caused all the problems in the world!

That is a very worrying report.  I thought flea treatments were absorbed into the animals skin and I don't think dogs are bathed that regularly, certainly not cats.  Not every dog goes swimming either, so it is a puzzle as to how so much of the insecticides get into the waterways.

Hello Steve,

I am following this thread with interest.

I have to say I totally agree with Dottie's comments - I am currently in  the process of weaning my dog off a food that the vet recommended she be on for some months following a severe bout of IBD when he opened her up.  In fact, I would probably go for a food like Butternut Box but to be honest it is a bit too pricey for me.

I am adding home cooked meat and veg to the dry food and am looking at Cold Pressed or Air Dried foods (vegi plus and add my own protein source) for the future.  I would be interested in complete, lightly cooked food rather than foreign menu and vegan or vegetarian.  However, as a pensioner, cost is a major consideration for me.

I notice that Gemma mentioned sardines as a source of Omega 3, as well as a variety of home cooked meat and fish, I feed tinned sardines to my dog, about once a week.

Good luck.

Home cooking / Re: Home-cooked dog food recipes
« on: Oct 23, 2020, 22:16 »
I think this is quite an interesting piece about home cooking:

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 23, 2020, 14:53 »

I have read the comments re various foods, & (possibly not wholly definitive), prognosis & diagnosis. I am very mindful the dog has been opened up with some invasive exploratory work, & testing going on.

A big red flag for me is you say your vet has stated they do not think your dog has food allergies yet you have been advised to feed a well known vet pushed HA food !!!!

Don't rule out a K.I.S.S. ( Keep It simple stupid)..........if it sits better replace the word stupid with "strategy".

To me, in back of my mind I was be thinking along lines of.............   

Young dog + Scavenging + Fussy eating + Food changes &/or wrong amounts = Diarrhea

Colitis, Giardia , IBD  (or maybe IBS)........the result is the same........... Diarrhea

...........How would I deal with it ?

Dealing with dog Diarrhea

1. Supervise all activity to eliminate scavenging, ( this includes eating mud, garden matter faeces etc)

2. Starve the dog & give water only for 24hrs or maybe a bit longer

3. Feed one bland white meat protein & that alone (some say add rice - in my experience it can hinder recovery)

4. Monitor output, Cut back or revert to 2 if loose again....

5. If ok gradually re-introduce original food.

6 IIf still loose after 3 days consider Vet &/or AB's etc 

Managing a True Elimination diet.............

Only feed one bland protein source NOTHING else

White fish for 10 days


Cooked chicken 10 days


Cooked beef 10 days

Monitor ( output, skin, eyes, condition, itching ) etc etc etc

If you manage to  find 3 tolerable protein sources you have more than enough to use these as a base for meals. Apply similar process if introducing other stuff to the bow.

You again speak of  other food brands....the compositions of bought foods have many many ingredients.  If you feed a certain brand with multiple ingredients in composition you may have no idea what the problematic one is in the event dog becomes loose on it...Dottie is the go to for home cooked advice.

Your thoughts have already swayed from air dried (ziwipeak air dried claims to be good but very expensive) & now  mention cold pressed & the brand Gentle.........If later looking at cold pressed, wanting  a decent food from a trusted brand with great ongoing customer support you will struggle to do better.....With cold pressed foods the binders get reckoned as carbs on here. ...Some cold pressed foods rely on potato flakes others use mineral clays etc etc. Beth @  Gentle may be able to explain more.

It may well be that you have a dog with a multitude of various issues going on BUT IMO you are massively overthinking things & adding far too many variables........wet, dry-extruded, air dried, home cooked , cold pressed, fillers, not to mention Cassia gum (I had never heard of before your post & Davids response) 

If the dog is currently doing okay - maybe don't rush to do anything !

Good Luck  :)

Thank you for this Coaster, such good information that I have copied and pasted it into word and saved the document.

I feel I may have misled you with my comment about a local outbreak of a virus causing diarrhoea in dogs (I don't know if it caused vomiting or not).  I had settled on Arden Grange kibble with a topper of Lukullus wet food which did seem to suit my dog until the afternoon of Monday 9th December when she vomited bile, refused to eat.  I did think she may have eaten something that had caused this.  I offered boiled white fish 24 hrs after her last meal.  That was ok, fed her fish again later in the day with added rice - she vomited the lot undigested.    Saw a vet following day, anti sick jab and asked me to bring a poo sample.  She was able to eat boiled white fish or chicken breast while the anti sick jab lasted but started vomiting again after a couple of days.  Unfortunately, don't often get to see the same vet and the next one (franchise partner) wasn't interested in poo sample.  Mia was on meds and getting worse until 19th December when they ran tests and opened her up.  I opted for the overnight in Vet hospital for her as she needed hydration and meds to restart the peristalsis.  She did have some diarrhoea but eventually it was massive gas and just liquid.  I was told that when she was opened up, apart from inflammation, she was full of water and mucus.  I believe he said they washed her tummy out.

I wasn't convinced about the Purina HA but I have to say she did well on it and her tummy was fine.   In fact probably better than ever.   I should mention, she was five months old when I got her:  very travel sick, if pulled on lead she was sick, doing zoomies round the garden would make her sick (very difficult to stop her zooming as she is pretty quick and agile).  Her poo was quite often copious with mucus (maybe she had IBS).

I hadn't thought to just feed her one protein and only that, I will bear that in mind should any future need arise.  What I have done is use the Purina as a base starting point and given her a small amount of either home cooked white fish or chicken breast, or meat/fish with veg. or a small (topper) portion of wet food just to try.  Added a small amount of a different kibble if ok - if any of it had an adverse affect I took it back to base.

I have not tried anything completely different yet as I was reaching out for information, then researching it.  I have concluded that maybe I will try the Pure Vegi plus and add the protein or maybe the Gentle cold pressed - this is because I feel that extruded kibble may not be the best food for her, even though before she was ill, the Arden Grange and Lukullus wet food did seem to agree with her.  Also some of the wet food has carrageenan (which was red now orange alert on AADF) and thickeners like Cassia Gum (which is often used with Carrageenan).  Some research suggested that Carrageenan can be altered by the acid in dogs stomach to make it an ingredient that causes inflammation.  I don't want to take any chances.

It doesn't help that one day she will eat with relish and the next it is poison >:(

Thank you once again for your input.

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 22, 2020, 20:41 »
Hello Dottie,

I will certainly keep you informed - I am plodding on with adding mostly home cooked meat and veg to Mia's kibble, still weaning her off the Purina HA.  I will probably keep a bag of it by me just in case because it really did seem to aid her recovery from whatever it was she had.

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 22, 2020, 11:10 »
Thanks Dottie, yes that is the plan - try one thing for some time and if not great change it.
Just spoken with the lady at Gentle dog food and she tells me they have a lot of success with Poodles and poodle crosses as they are fussy and can have sensitive stomachs!  I have sent her my address as she is going to send samples which is great.  I haven't ordered the vegi plus yet so will see how the Gentle goes down first.  As I mentioned, the vet doesn't think she has a food allergy but I do find some foods a bit rich for her.

I hope you are right about her not scavenging if she is on a good diet!  I have always tried to give her a good diet but fussy dogs don't make it easy.  I think from what I read on the Toy and Minature Poodle Club facebook page, there are very many dogs who eat cat and other animal poo  :-[

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 22, 2020, 10:12 »
Hello Coaster,

Thank you for your response.  I do listen to the vet, when I can get hold of him!  I believe that the Purina Pro Plan HA was pretty much an elimination diet (vet said it would give her stomach a chance to heal), she was on that until mid April, she even had it as treats!!  The vet did say that when the time came to change her from the Purina in April that we would discuss it and he could suggest what to try.  Lockdown came and it was impossible to get hold of a vet unless it was an emergency.  I do recall that he said low fat, however, when I eventually spoke to him about getting my girl spayed, I mentioned low fat food and he checked her pancreas results and said they were ok so no need.  I took her for an annual check about three days later and said I wondered if a low carb diet would be worth trying as I felt her itchiness had got worse on the Purina which is high carb (and to the best of my knowledge it can be changed to sugar in the body - but I may be wrong), he said something about short chain whatever and didn't think it would make the itchiness worse.  He did say at some point, in the past, that he doesn't think my dog has a food allergy.

Regarding the scavenging - she has a muzzle to stop that.  I did take it off after she had worn it for some time but as she was very interested in a patch of grass last weekend and wouldn't come when called (I had a look at what she was so interested in and I believe it was cat poo) the muzzle went back on.  I have to say that soft animal poo squished through the muzzle so she can get hold of it is not pleasant, means both muzzle and dog to clean up :(

At the time she became ill in December there were a lot of cases locally of a virus causing diarrhea (not sure about vomiting though) in dogs, I did ask the vet if that is what she had but he said not as her symptoms worse and lymph nodes enormous.  He didn't think she had been poisoned either.  I also mentioned the fact that she had licked a semi dried pool of what looked like diarrhea on the field the day before but he dismissed it as too soon.  I had wondered if she had Giardia but have no idea if it was tested for.  I know she was given a second lot of antibiotics to run alongside the ones she was already taking, he muttered something about Helicobacter spp on the histology report (among other things) - didn't make great reading especially the bit about possibility (although unlikely in view of being 19 months old) of enteric lymphoma.  PARR test for that.

My dog seems to be eating well at the moment (putting on weight), I have been weaning her off the Purina (she is refusing it anyway) mixing it with other kibble and adding tinned sardines, home cooked meat or fish with some veg and she seems very happy with that.  I just want to find a food that is good quality, that doesn't upset  her stomach.  I will give the Pure Vegi Plus a try and add cooked meat or fish to it.  She will eat some tinned/pouched wet food but I find that some of it, like Country Hunter is a bit rich for her and she doesn't like their chicken menu at all, even though she loves chicken.  I may also try a good quality cold pressed food, I was reading on the Gentle website that fresh meat, fish, veg can be added to that too.  The mini poodle seems to have loads of energy, too much at times, so must be doing something right.

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 21, 2020, 10:36 »
There are a couple of their recipes with sweet potato in but the rest seem to have potato or parsnip or both in .  I notice that the only percentage of ingredients given is the meat content.  I am not sure why some people say avoid potato (a friend of mine does) dogs must have eaten left over potatoes for many, many decades - didn't seem to do them any harm.  I must admit it would be good to have more than one vegi recipe.

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 21, 2020, 10:00 »
Well, I have had an email back saying:

Our recipes are not technically classed as raw. We use gentle air-drying to remove harmful bacteria that you can get with raw food like salmonella and e coli.

Air-drying involves blowing warm air between 60-90°C over ingredients for several hours to remove the moisture, locking in their goodness and providing healthy, natural, high-quality ingredients for our recipes.

Pure is raw ingredients, air dried naturally. Sometimes referred to as dehydrated raw. This allows owners to feed a high-quality natural diet that isn’t highly-processed, whilst still retaining some conveniences of dry dog food. Many dogs switch to us from raw and do very well on our food.

The vet has told me not to feed Mia on raw food, so I have to decide if this 'not technically raw' food is raw food or not.

I notice that the company you mentioned, Rocketo, say they air dry their raw food at just under 40C!!!

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 20, 2020, 20:33 »
Just found that PetsatHome sell Pure and it is described as:  Pure Pet Food Dehydrated Raw Dog Food!

Dog foods / Re: Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 20, 2020, 19:18 »
That is what I hoped Dottie but the only reference I can find is:

Our meat, fruit and veg are slowly air dried at around 60℃, removing the risk of harmful pathogens (E. coli, salmonella, listeria, campylobacter) whilst retaining the goodness and nutrients of our fresh, human-grade ingredients.

Was reading  up on slow cooker - on low setting the food has to be 74C to be safe to eat!!!  If it is air dried at 60C it does make me wonder if it is raw.  I await their reply with interest.

Dog foods / Air Dried Dog Food
« on: Oct 20, 2020, 17:05 »
I have been considering trying my dog on Pure dog food, I have read through their website but I cannot find anything to say if it is raw air dried food or precooked air dried food.  Does anyone know please?  (I have sent Pure a message and am awaiting a reply).

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