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Tinkerbee - your post has given me an idea - Pure Pet Foods sell Vegi Plus Mixer which you just rehydrate and add your own protein source. There is also a similar thing in cold pressed food - Lukullus Veggie.  Somewhere on the forum is a thread about food made from insects - think it is going to come into production in the UK (might already be on the market).

Regarding the bile, three smaller meals a day might help. The blood and mucous is worrying. Have you asked your vet about keeping him on treatment for a longer period? I had a dog like yours and had to use Metronidazole, sometimes over a long period of time.

If you decide to try raw, consult your vet. Might be better not to start it when he is having a flare up. Nutriment staff will be able to advise you on this. They sell some lower fat products.

Thank you for letting us know how you are getting on. I am sorry that Gentle didn’t work out. When you say ‘usual symptoms’ can you say what they are? Just wondering about overfeeding because that can cause loose stools and in my experience it is very easy to give too much cold pressed food due to it being so dense.

I don’t know whether this will help, but have you looked at home cooking? We have a section about this on the forum. If you don’t have the confidence or time, there are a very few companies who sell fresh cooked food for dogs. Butternut Box is one and of their four flavours, chicken and turkey are the lowest in fat. However it is more expensive than commercial food.

Dog foods / Re: Tesco expands Naturo natural offering
« on: Dec 10, 2018, 14:20 »
Thank you Seaweed. I’ve seen Naturo on the shelves of Morrisons but don’t recall noticing the new variety. I’ve tried the with brown rice types on my two dogs and they enjoyed it. Poos were good.
Morrisons price on the existing Naturo range is the same as Tesco.

General discussion / Re: Types of dog food
« on: Dec 10, 2018, 14:08 »
Thank you David. I missed that fact sheet, probably because it is a new one.  :-[ It is very useful so I will make this thread a sticky for easy reference.

General discussion / Re: Types of dog food
« on: Dec 09, 2018, 07:53 »
Raw is not necessarily the best type of food. It all depends on whether it suits the dog and the owner.  Also it can be nutritionally unbalanced if not done correctly. The raw completes take the guess work out of it and should provide a balanced diet.  Proponents  feel it is the most natural way of feeding a dog.  Also, anecdotally many dogs do well on it, particularly those with problems such as itchy skin/ears and other allergic type illnesses.  Disadvantages include the need for freezer space and thawing.  It is very important to maintain high hygiene standards because if the meat does contain bacteria it can be transmitted to humans.  My personal opinion is that careful consideration should be given where there are vulnerable people in the home eg babies/young children, elderly, those who cannot maintain their own hygiene and people who are immunosuppressed. This method of feeding is often not supported by veterinary surgeons although some accept it.

This page has general guidance on the different types of food. Choice depends on such things as cost, convenience and what suits the dog. 

Picky dogs such as your Bichon often do better on wet food because it is more palatable and it tends to have better aroma - appetite is stimulated by this. Wet food has the advantage that it is usually processed at much lower temperatures than extruded kibble so retains more of the nutrients. A large percentage of it is water so the dog does not become dehydrated after eating a meal. Another big advantage of wet food is that some manufacturers (usually of the better quality products) have several flavours in their range so the dog gets to have variety in it's diet.  The downside of wet food is that it tends to be more expensive.

Extruded kibble makes up the bulk of the dog food market, is convenient and usually cheaper. It is processed using high temperatures and some of the nutrients are lost so have to be added back. Some dogs find it unpalatable, particularly picky ones.

We now have dehydrated food that is reconstituted with water. There is also cold pressed products which are dry (therefore convenient to serve) but are different to kibble because they are processed at much lower temperatures, thereby retaining more of the nutrients.

It is a matter of choice and no one product is right for every dog.

Dog foods / Re: Which food?
« on: Dec 08, 2018, 14:43 »
Yes, we are fortunate to have a good choice of wet food. If you haven’t already used the Dog Food Directory you can narrow down the search by using the filters on the left. Select ‘wet complete’ if you are sticking with this type of food.

Dog foods / Re: Which food?
« on: Dec 08, 2018, 12:04 »
Hello and welcome to the forum. Your Bichon would be perfectly alright on wet food only. Dogs do not need kibble if they are on a wet complete product. Some people say that it is good for their teeth but I can’t see why it should be. A better option, particularly with small breeds is to brush teeth regularly using canine toothpaste. Chew toys such as Nylabone may help.

As your dog likes the Wainwright’s you could stay with that and forget the kibble. You may need to adjust the amount upwards to replace the dry food.

You asked about Butternut Box and it is without doubt an excellent product, one that is in a league of its own. Freshly cooked, well balanced and without any unnecessary additives. You do have to pay extra for such quality though. Your dog would probably be delighted to have such tasty food.

Butternut Box has some information on their website about using their products in dogs who have pancreatitis. They recommend the chicken and turkey recipes for this rather than the beef and lamb. The information on this is here.

Dog foods / Re: We Cook for Dogs
« on: Dec 05, 2018, 18:00 »
Thank you. Couldn’t find anything relevant on their Facebook page. Was looking forward to seeing their products.

Dog foods / Re: We Cook for Dogs
« on: Dec 05, 2018, 15:14 »
Seaweed - the website just says ‘Coming Soon’.  Do you have any information about the company please?

Seaweed - thank you very much for this information. I have merged the threads with this one as they would be better all in one place for easy reference.

Dog treats / Re: Treating a dog post pancreatitis
« on: Nov 30, 2018, 17:42 »
Hello and welcome to the forum. Sea Jerky immediately springs to mind. Fish4Dogs is one company that sells it.
If you go to The Dog Treat Directory there is a selection there. You can use the Nutrient levels filter to select low fat.

General discussion / Re: Lack of Water in Dog Foods
« on: Nov 30, 2018, 17:37 »
Thank you very much for posting the link Seaweed. It is interesting information. She doesn’t mention it but I assume that she is proposing raw or maybe fresh cooked food is preferable.

Dog foods / Re: Advice needed - changing to Eden kibble
« on: Nov 30, 2018, 08:26 »
Hello and welcome to the forum. This might be nothing to do with food. I think it would be best to take a stool sample to the vet. This is important in view of his history, particularly if he has been in kennels. Stools are usually tested for Campylobacter, Giardia and parasites. For specific advice about Eden, contact the company direct.

I appreciate that you would like to know exactly what to give but as you can see by David's article, it is complex. You have started giving the Hill's  and your dog is tolerating it so perhaps it is best to continue with that for the time being. There is no commercial food that I know of which has a protein level as low as this prescription diet.  Your vet will be able to determine if it is helping.   The problem is that as David has said, dietary management depends on the dog's condition and phosphorous levels. Phosphorous is not usually included in the analysis so it is necessary to contact individual manufacturers for the information. The treatment that you are giving should help with this though.

If you want to feed something other than the Hill's, have a good look at the paragraph on meat in David's article because he explains how to make a choice of food depending on the dog's condition. We can help you search for something appropriate if you let us know what you conclude but you need to discuss any changes with your vet.

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