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Recalls and alerts / Re: Mars Petcare UK recall
« on: Feb 19, 2021, 12:34 »
As it seems these recalls are usually due to excess vitamin D (also the reason for the Hills recall, which killed dogs), it makes me wonder if there are also sometimes excess levels of other vitamins we're not informed about because they're not considered toxic like vitamin D. 

The following is an extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/vitamins-dogs-3-reasons-stay-away/ - I assume the same applies to the UK:-

"You may be trying to avoid Chinese ingredients for your dog. And that’s an excellent idea because China has a terrible track record when it comes to food safety … in 2007 alone, synthetic vitamin premixes from China killed over 4,000 cats and dogs.

Yet China owns over 90% of the vitamin C market in the US and most of the vitamins in dog foods are manufactured in China and India.

This should worry you because only 2 percent of all imported vitamins are inspected. And China’s top vitamin and supplement producing areas are among the most polluted in the world"

Also, the only reason I can think of for most treats having added synthetic vitamins & minerals is to fool owners into thinking they are more healthy. I would never choose foods with synthetic additives, but the choice of cooked brands in the UK (to my knowledge) is limited to 3.

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Jan 05, 2021, 14:27 »
Thanks, Dottie, I'll do that.

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Jan 05, 2021, 12:47 »
Thanks for taking the time to give all that valuable information, Dottie, and I'm now very tempted to buy one, My only reservation is about their toothpaste - do you use it? I am quite concerned about some of the ingredients.  I've only had a very quick look, but have found "Sodium c-14-16 Olefin Sulfonate has links to organ system toxicity and Disodium Pyrophosphate can lead to kidney stones".

Perhaps that is the only toothpaste that can be used in order to create a foam, but I'd be much happier using a more natural product, although I admit to being paranoid, as I investigate every single ingredient I don't know about in everything she has.

Apart from that, I think it's worth giving it a try, although it does annoy me that virtually everything for dogs is far more expensive than the human equivalent.

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Jan 04, 2021, 15:53 »
I'm very glad you mentioned that, Dottie, because it's something I have considered in the past, so I'd welcome your advice. Which one did you buy? I've just watched a YouTube video advocating Emmipet and it says it takes about 3 minutes each side, which seems a very long time for a dog to tolerate? I wonder if dogs can hear them even if no sound is detectable to humans, which would put her against it.

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Jan 04, 2021, 13:37 »
I totally agree with you, Dottie, that brushing is essential. I clean my dog's teeth every day - mainly because I'm not very good at it, so hope the frequency will make up for my ineptitude!

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Jan 04, 2021, 12:07 »
I wouldn't put the milk bone chews in the "healthy dental chews" category. The ingredients are Brewers Rice, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken By-product Meal, Propylene Glycol, Dried Skim Milk, Modified Food Starch, Dextrin, Water, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Bone Phosphate, Calcium Sulfate, Gelatin, Animal Digest, Potassium Sorbate (Used As A Preservative), Phosphoric Acid, Titanium Dioxide (Color).  However effective they may be at tartar control, there are quite a few ingredients I wouldn't want my dog to eat.

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Hello Steve - I would like to see small oily fish, such as sardines, included as a source of Omega 3 instead of the usual salmon (which I won't feed because of the high mercury levels in large fish). As far as I know, no-one provides this. Also organic options would be nice - also hard to find.  Personally, I won't feed anything with added synthetic vitamins and minerals, either, although I know this doesn't bother most people.

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Feeding dogs with health problems / Re: Wet Food Additives
« on: Oct 05, 2020, 14:31 »
Vivann - re. gelling/thickening agents in wet food, this is one of the many questions I asked about my dog's food, which is carrageenan free. This is their reply "None required they’re just pure meat. We use meat broth which is made from the connective tissue this creates a kind of gelatine. So nothing other than the animal advised, no chemicals no additives".

The thing I like about it is there are no synthetic vitamins or minerals added - it's not cheap though and my dog needs more than the RDA to maintain weight! https://www.naturavetal.co.uk/shop/en/canis-plus-dogs/complete-meals

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Dog foods / Re: Temperature to cook tinned food
« on: Aug 25, 2020, 12:08 »
Thanks for replying, Dottie. I like to know as much as possible about everything she has, but I'm not overly concerned, as I guess it's at a significantly lower temperature than extruded.

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Dog foods / Temperature to cook tinned food
« on: Aug 24, 2020, 18:28 »
My dog has 2 very similar brands of tinned food (just for variety). The latest addition, Fresco, claims to be gently steam cooked in the tins.  (Their raw is rated here, but not the tinned). Even though there's very little starch, I'm still curious about the temperatures involved, as I'm wary of high heats. What I find very strange is that this information, is, apparently, a trade secret & cannot be divulged in case competitors copy Fresco! In every other aspect, they've been helpful, so I let it go without making an issue about the lack of transparency.  So, if anyone has an idea of the likely temperature involved to "gently" steam cook, low starch tinned food I'd be grateful to hear.

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Dog treats / Re: Healthy dental chews?
« on: Aug 01, 2020, 13:12 »
My dog has air dried beef scalp. It softens very gradually as it's being chewed and, unlike most dental chews, lasts for ages and, of course, much healthier than Dentastix and similar rubbish. I've just bought her some with the hair on, but haven't tried it yet.

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Introductions / Re: Feeding guidelines help, please
« on: May 30, 2020, 12:28 »
Yes, I'm just relieved it wasn't anything medical that was the cause. Now that I'm cutting her food down, she looks at me accusingly as if to say "where's the rest, then". There's nothing she likes more than shoveling things down her gob, which she thinks is a dustbin and treats as a receptacle for all manner of non-food items.

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Introductions / Re: Feeding guidelines help, please
« on: May 29, 2020, 12:37 »
I've just used your calculator, which is extremely useful & supports what we thought about Gemma's tinned food's RDA being too low. I've been giving her 480g (as opposed to the recommended 240g)  plus a generous serving of oats, and she's gained 500g in 15 days, so now it's a case of trial and error to fine tune the amount. I 'phoned Fresco about their very similar new wet food range (as I'm thinking about buying both brands for variety) and mentioned this anomaly, as their RDA's are very low too, & they just said every dog is different. Perhaps these premium, expensive brands don't want to put people off if they work out the true cost per day. Thanks for all your help - it's much appreciated.

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Introductions / Re: Feeding guidelines help, please
« on: May 21, 2020, 17:55 »
Sorry, Dottie - I'm not ignoring you - I replied to your last thread yesterday, but I must have pressed the wrong button, as it doesn't seem to have got posted.

I've already checked with Naturavetal about carrageenan and they confirmed there is none present, and nothing comes from China.

I googled Fresco dog food reviews and the first site to be listed was yours - seems you rate their raw at 98% - but I can well understand why you can't remember every product when there are so many.

I've had a better look at their new range of tinned and that, too, seems excellent. I've emailed them to ask about carrageenan and queried their RDAs too, as they're even lower than Naturavetals. I think the quality is about the same, but they've got a large selection, so I might mix products from the 2 companies, as I like her to have variety. (To those people who say dogs don't mind having the same thing every day, I would ask how they know).

I see We Cook for Dogs offer a 50/50 diet plan (50% home cooked with 50% commercial) which might be something I'll consider, but, at £190, I hope it's bespoke recipes.

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Introductions / Re: Feeding guidelines help, please
« on: May 20, 2020, 14:33 »
Yes, a lot of the things he says strike a chord with me and I like the look of his herb blends The trouble is, a lot of the links on his website which I'd like to read don't work for some reason. I'll have to contact him, but, with the current hit and miss availability of ingredients, I'll wait a while - at least until I can hopefully get her weight up.

I think you said earlier that you weren't aware of anything that didn't contain any synthetic vitamins and minerals. I remembered that I'd found a BARF product that made a big thing about not doing so, but couldn't recall the name.  I eventually found it - don't know if you've heard of it, but its Fresco. Anyway, since I last looked, they've introduced a new range of lightly steam cooked wet food, again with nothing synthetic added.  I haven't worked out the carbs/calories, but, as the ingredients are similar to Gemma's Naturavetal, I would imagine there's not much difference.

The thing is, they're only saying 2% of body weight RDA, on average, with perhaps a 50% variation - which is even less than Naturavetal, so I really don't know what's going on.

I know I've been waffling on about how good I think Gemma's food is, but you're the experts, not me, so, if you've any reservations at all about it, I'd be grateful if you'd let me know - in case I don't go down the home cooked route. If you think essential vits/mins, etc. might be lacking without synthetic additives, if I gave her, for example, some of We Cook for Dogs' herb mixtures, could that result in a dangerous excess? Naturavetal list calcium 0.20%, phosphorous 0.14%, so I assume that's an acceptable amount and ratio?

Thanks again for taking the time to help me.

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