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General discussion / Re: Size of the Kibble
« on: Oct 27, 2015, 10:52 »
Why not order some samples? Most decent companies will send you a sample for minimal cost.

Eden I know do two different sizes of kibble and I think Simpson's is a decent size but not sure on hardness factor. And as I've never seen Pedigree I've nothing to compare against!

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Site help and suggestions / Re: Greyhounds
« on: Jul 25, 2015, 08:58 »
The greyhound-data people are all racing breeders or trainers. Their focus is often mostly on economy and adequacy, rather than quality.
They tell people (and trainers in general do too) that they must never feed their dog more than 20% protein or some such twaddle.
This is perpetuated by the RGT's and a lot of rehoming groups.

An athlete may well have slightly different nutritional requirements but the focus is always about winning a race and nothing to do with health - the dogs are merely a commodity used short term and then disposed of.

Non racing greyhound surely have the same nutritional needs as other dogs in a non working environment.


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Introductions / Re: Help Needed Please
« on: Jul 25, 2015, 08:41 »
Thank you for all your kind words and helpful ideas, we really appreciate the support xx

I will look into raw food for him and thank you for the turmeric hint - I have heard that's a good way to go.

Fingers crossed we have got it early and he can fight this

Our experience is that after amp they are 10 times better - you have taken the pain away after all. If you get the pain relief right (fentanyl patches are excellent) they are up and about giving you a heart attack within days. On fentanyl we have had far few eating problems than on the other pain relief drugs.
The other top tip is to touch around the area lots, and if you can cover it with a stretchy elastic vest. The pressure over the area seems to really help with reducing nerve pain.

Our last one sailed through chemo without a blink but we did the protocol which is easier on the organs and 6 sessions.  We had her on the freeze dried raw, or a good quality tinned food if we couldn't get the raw down her, and our oncologist reckons it made a huge difference to her. She was tired the day after chemo and often not interested in food but this was a bit of a bonus really as less poo to double bag and burn!

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Introductions / Re: Help Needed Please
« on: Jul 23, 2015, 22:00 »
We have been through this 4 times now.

1. Accept you may not be able to get anything down them. Our last girl was always difficult with food and we resorted to steak, chicken breast, tinned tuna in desperation, anything we could get down her, after amp.
2. Hold your nerve. And buy non slip rugs. And get good pain relief (the patches are the best thing ever). Good, spaced pain relief makes a huge difference to recovery.
3. We had Meggie on raw before amp and chemo. I took her off raw during chemo and discovered freeze dried raw. It is the only thing that saved us from her (being a complete cow) starving herself to death. She has always been a cow with food.

Rather than home cooked where it is difficult to balance the essential minerals and vitamins we looked at a freeze dried raw (orijen and a locally produced one) as it is so low carb and you need to get so little down them to maintain weight and condition.

You might want to do some research into golden paste, turmeric paste. It may not be for you but the clinical research is quite promising.

Good luck. Our girl is over a year post amp and going strong! We caught it early, did amp and chemo as fast as possible. This was as soon as her stitches were out...

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Site help and suggestions / Greyhounds
« on: Jul 23, 2015, 21:45 »
I have the argument (lots) with greyhound people (lots) about high protein and greyhounds (lots) and of course other sight hounds (lots). The old school and a lot of the rehoming charities say they shouldn't ever be fed high protein. I of course wonder if this is something to do with the food they sell ???

I'd really love an article on food for ex racing greyhounds, and how they have exactly the same nutritional requirements as other dogs. I am sick of fighting the 18% protein argument.

Please do it if you can, I'd really appreciate it. I can supply pictures of 80/20 or raw fed ex racers who aren't fat, are in fantastic condition and are cancer free!

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Do I trust my vet on nutritional advice?
A categorical no.

I tend to shut them up by picking up a bag of what they sell and reading the ingredients to them and pointing out that I feed a far better food at a lower cost, or raw. And my raw fed dogs haven't ever had a dental... And as greyhounds fed high protein they aren't dead or fat.

I really do think the shame of the vet industry is food. We have given our oncology vet a good talking too and he is going to stock and recommend raw or high protein dried.

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Are you sure he's not a kangaroo  ;D

I guess import to Denmark wouldn't so bad if you were buying for all of them as you'd be buying a half pallet at a time for all those :D

More like a full pallet.  Over 300 kilos of dog here. That is a lot of dog to feed!

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Thanks folks. I've had starved ones before but it all seems so long ago and just the reassurance I needed (doesn't help that the husband winces every time he strokes Zeb and asks what I'm doing wrong!). Coat on this one isn't bad, it is weight. He has plenty of pup energy (I am NEVER adopting a pup again).
 
I'll stick with the Orijen as the Millie's Wolfheart costs me a fortune to import here (we are in Denmark) and freezer space is at a premium with the six we currently raw feed.

We've got 6 ex racing greyhounds, an Irish Wolfhound, a collie cross, a wonky, dubious parentage, ancient Spanish thing with no ears and Zebedee, who is a Pharaoh Hound (or Ibizan Hound).

The bouncy baby!


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This is the story - Zebedee, 6 months old, rescued from Spain from the streets a month ago.  Eaten from the streets all his life and terribly underweight and hungry. Wormed (twice) bloods and poo samples come back clear or nasties.

As per usual with the starved ones, you feed him too much it goes straight through or he up chucks.

I've got him on Millies Wolfheart or Orijen pup with added eggs. He just isn't gaining condition at all, although he is gaining weight. Full of life and bounce but gawd, he looks awful and I just don't seem to be keeping  up with the food...

So stick with it and stop being so impatient or look at something else? Switch to raw which I can easily do?

Thanks in advance for remeasuring me or suggestions - got 10 dogs here, a few with multiple health problems, one with cancer, and the bloomin skinny pup is the one who worries me most!

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Hi Laurie! Felt I had to comment as I've been having the protein/fat argument somewhere else this morning with regard to greyhounds.

Lots of people will tell you greyhounds have different nutritional needs to other dogs and you should never feed high protein. They don't,  so the same principles apply - high quality protein, fat, calories, little and often so break it down into more meals if you need to get more quantity down them.

As your boy is a galgo it is possible that he has been starved in the past so just takes the opportunity to have whatever he can, whenever he can. It isn't that uncommon. With our really hungry ones we've found something to chew helps. And of course a lovely carrot to crunch! All dogs metabolise their food at different rates and with some of ours over the years we've needed to feed 4 times a day (they shake, eat grass frantically and throw up) as it goes through them so quickly. Others have done fine on twice a day and a snack before bed. With the faster ones we've always soaked their food down too.

Scurf - all our lot get a bit scurfy when they are moulting especially the first year they are out of kennels and the coat and skin is renewing more. It is easier to see on a very short coat but as someone else said coconut oil can help.

We have 6 greys, an Irish Wolfhound, a Spanish thing of dubious parentage and a collie cross (lost our 16 year old spaniel cross not long ago and a lurcher not long before that). We work on the same principle for all of them. Best quality we can afford.
5 of the dogs are currently raw fed (freezer space is an issue), one gets freeze dried raw (all I can get down her since we amputated her leg) and the rest are on orijen at the moment.

Good luck

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