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Dog foods / Re: Private Label , how to get food rating
« on: Yesterday at 08:56 »
Thank you for your reply. I have found Time for Paws to be good on prices but check around. The Forthglade multipacks seem to be better value for money.

Thank you. Here is the link.

Dog foods / Re: Private Label , how to get food rating
« on: Jul 01, 2020, 20:14 »
The Instant Review Generator returned a nutritional score of 86% for me and no red ingredients. What did you get when you tried it? Was it much different?

Private label foods are often good value for money but you have done exactly the right thing by checking the ingredients because some can be awful. This one doesn’t look too bad. Typically, grain free foods often contain white potato and pea derivative which this one has but not in large amounts. Sweet potato is better nutritionally and this has  24%. The protein is low average. A very active dog may need a bit more though. As it is classed as working I would have thought it might be a bit higher but I suspect that this is because 33% of the fish is fresh, not meal. 

If your dog is doing ok on it then I would see no reason to change. If you are minded to give a suitable fresh cooked food topper sometimes it will add variety. Have a look at Rodney Habib’s YouTube channel because there are videos on there in which he explains about the benefits of adding fresh cooked vegetables etc. If you want to hike up the protein a bit, maybe add some chicken, minced beef, scrambled egg etc.

I chose my dog food on ingredients, quality and preparation. I was delighted to see that it is packaged in cardboard cartons which are compostable and recyclable. The Puffin packaging is returnable and the company provide labels so there is no cost to the customer.

Dog foods / Re: Vegan Dog Food available in UK
« on: Jul 01, 2020, 15:53 »
I too would be reluctant to feed a vegan diet to a dog. That particular recipe has an awful lot of legumes  (nearly 50%),  presumably to provide protein. As the owner of a dog who is very likely intolerant of them it would be a definite no.

It’s good that your dog is doing well on Orijen. Please could you post a link to the automatic feeder?

Home cooking / Re: Am I doing this right?
« on: Jul 01, 2020, 15:41 »
That sounds like a good mix. Regarding the calcium, if you see white, chalky stools it indicates an excess of calcium. Eggshells should be washed and dried slowly in the oven, then ground into powder. It’s useful to do some research on the exact amount needed. The protein (meat, fish, poultry) is usually circa 60% of the recipe.

Dog foods / Re: Private Label , how to get food rating
« on: Jul 01, 2020, 15:37 »
Hello and welcome to the forum Rufus Mum. Please can you give us the ingredient list from your bag of food? The typical analysis and additives would also be helpful.
Thank you.

David has probably had this in mind but it would be a very time consuming project. Also, AFAIK there are some variables about recycling depending on the local authority. I would look for paper bags/cardboard cartons  or tins because these are commonly recycled.

Introductions / Re: New and confused about changing food
« on: Jun 28, 2020, 16:17 »
I hadn't heard of Ci so have just had a quick glance at their website - link.  They sell several products so I just looked at Mighty Meaty.  The Dog Food Directory gives it a respectable nutritional score of 89%  with no red ingredients.  I would think that it is an appropriate choice for a young dog who needs to muscle up and will get a lot of exercise when grown.

Sensibly, the company acknowledges that high protein does not suit all dogs and advises this:
If you are trying an 80% formula for the first time we highly recommend buying it in smaller quantities and introducing it very gradually.

Note that with these high quality foods, the amount required might need to be less than you are used to with the Wainwrights.

Introductions / Re: New and confused about changing food
« on: Jun 28, 2020, 12:15 »
Hello and welcome to the forum. Traditionally working food was formulated with extra calories from a higher fat/protein content. However, nowadays there is little or no difference between that and ordinary dog food because there are some high quality extruded foods that exceed the protein levels in some of those classed as for working dogs.

Food that has the working label is exempt from VAT so if you go for those it is possible to save money. Sometimes they come in plainer packaging.

There are no cold pressed foods in the working category. They are usually generic ie for all life stage. Of the ones sold by UK companies, Gentle has a protein level of 29.1%, Guru 27.8%. Cobbydog is made in the UK and has 37.1%. Gentle and Guru attract a slightly higher nutritional score.  Tribal may be worth looking at too but there are others, as you have seen in the dedicated thread.

As your dog needs to muscle up and will be getting a fair bit of exercise when grown, a higher protein level should help to achieve this. There are plenty of high quality extruded foods that have a high protein content. You need to decide whether you want to feed extruded or cold pressed food and there is information on here which can help you decide. Cold pressed food has the advantage of not being exposed to the high temperatures of extruded kibble. Also, it is said to be easier to digest.

If you go for cold pressed food, Gentle and Guru attract a slightly higher score than Cobbydog but any  of those foods would be good. You would need to contact the company re the RDA as your dog is young and needs to gain muscle.

There are some benefits to enhancing dog food by sometimes adding suitable fresh cooked ingredients because it gives variety. Vegetables need to be cooked and mashed to assist with digestion. Fruit such as blueberries can be given, as can chicken, white fish, sardines, scrambled eggs etc. In the past I have found this works well with cold pressed food.

Regarding delivery charges, with Zooplus and Bitiba it is free with a spend of £35. Don’t worry about the maize - I am told that it is only the maize germ that is used and this has nutritional benefits. For Amazon Prime members it would be useful to have a variety of CP foods sold on there as it would save on delivery charges.

I located Gentle on the Dog Food Directory, clicked ‘shop for this food’ then ‘store finder’ and it returned this page. If you find a store it’s probably best to telephone first to enquire about stock. In my area I only found one small shop that stocks Guru and there are two on that map that show as selling Gentle but as all three are at least a thirty minute journey by car it was best to pay for delivery unless I was in that area or close by.

Hello Mitford. We had a chat about Gentle and Guru here.  I have used Gentle and MM NaturNah but settled on Guru for a number of reasons. I just thought the recipe was better suited to my dogs. However, as I mentioned in the other thread, both are good products. 

I have not had to transition when my dogs have had a different type of cold pressed food so it might be acceptable to rotate, particularly as they are made by the same company. You could check with the company to be sure. 

Introductions / Re: Hello, first time poster
« on: Jun 22, 2020, 13:23 »
I hope that there is a positive outcome and that the liver function can be supported by suitable treatment and diet. Denamarin is expensive and I am annoyed because my insurance company won’t pay for it. They regard it as a supplement and won’t reimburse for medication that can be bought over the counter, even if it was prescribed by the vet. Please can you keep us updated with progress?

Introductions / Re: Hello, first time poster
« on: Jun 21, 2020, 11:56 »
The 90%+ wet foods usually have high protein and fat content and might lack the fibre that you need. You could reduce the amount and supplement with something like well cooked brown rice or oatmeal but I am not sure whether that would be suitable. Different Dog is very good quality and they have lower fat recipes. It can look expensive but when compared with good quality wet food it’s not so bad. Some people feed half and half to make it affordable.

All dogs are different, but if it helps I found that my older dog, who had raised ALTs and ALPs responded very well to Denamarin. She had it for circa six weeks and has since had two normal blood results. Currently she just has Dorwest Herbs Milk Thistle tablets. She is fed entirely on DD and has the lower fat recipes.  With any change of food it is well to remember that it can take some time to effect an improvement, especially  if the dog has impaired liver function.  In my dog’s case it was about three months. A gradual transition to new food is recommended.

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